Where the E-Cat ‘Heat as a Service’ Might Make Sense

An interesting post by Tom Kaminski on this thread:

In March, 2016 the local IEEE Section toured the central heating/cooling plant for the University of Wisconsin, Madison campus. It produces roughly 300 MW of steam and could also use steam-turbine driven chillers for chilled water. The site was recently converted from coal to natural gas and the boilers could also burn fuel oil. Because the natural gas supply was on an interruptible schedule, they stored about US$ 4 million worth of fuel oil. On one particularly cold January weekend, they used most of the fuel oil up when the extreme cold required the utility to cut off their gas supply to maintain . supplies for city residents. This newsletter (mid way down the page) has some information and pictures:


My point is, the “backup” heating supply is often required for commercial customers to get the best utility fuel rates. Rossi’s “must have their own backup” plan is not going to be that restrictive. If he provides the capital equipment, the commercial users will have only a small cost (facility mods and space for the equipment) and if is saves operating costs for fuel, it will be advantageous.

Supplying 300MW of heat, however with the current Rossi design might take a bit of work…

I will add a comment of my own here. I was talking recently with a former director of a paper mill who told me that during his working life there the company installed a natural gas Combined Heat and Power (CHP) system that provided all the heat and power to the mill, taking it off-grid. In addition to the natural gas source was, as Tom describes above, a fuel oil backup system stored in large tanks that could be used when there was an interruption in the gas supply.

Of course this made me wonder whether an E-Cat could be used instead of natural gas to provide the heat needed to run such a CHP system, keeping the natural gas and/or oil as a backup. I actually asked Andrea Rossi about this in my recent interview, and he said that Leonardo would be providing only heat, it would be up to the customer to decide what they wanted to do with that heat.

Assuming the E-Cat works well, if it’s simply a matter of replacing one heat source with another, without extensive engineering involved to do that, a company might be inclined to give the E-Cat a try, if the savings are attractive enough.

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ICCF-21 Monday and Tuesday Presentations

Cold Fusion Now! attended the 21st International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science ICCF-21 held June 3-8 at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, US and captured video and snapshots of the event. Pages summarizing the presentations are currently under construction, but take a peek at Monday and Tuesday’s summaries enhanced with audio files …

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Rossi Solicits Invitation Requests to ‘USA, East Coast’ E-Cat Presentation

If anyone is interested in attending the anticipated presentation of Andrea Rossi/Leonardo’s industrial E-Cat, Rossi made the following post today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics in response to a question about the event.

“Anonymous June 17, 2018 at 7:15 PM
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
Where and when you presume will be the presentation of the industrialized Ecat ready for the heat sale?
Will be any of the readers of this blog to attend?

Andrea Rossi June 18, 2018 at 3:41 AM
I presume and hope between the end of December and the end of January.
It will be in the USA, East Coast.
All the Reafers that desire to attend can send a request of invitation to: info@leonardocorp1996.com
Obviously not all can be invited, but I will select the ones that I deem will have more merit, based on their sustain and suggestions.
The attendance will be free.
Warm Regards, A.R. “

It sounds now like it will take place in early in 2019. It’s not clear yet whether it will be at a customer’s factory or in some other location. I think Rossi wants to make a big splash with this presentation, and I am sure that he will be making invitations to media representatives to help raise awareness about the product launch, so they may have priority. I hope that there will be enough places for plenty of people to attend. I hope to be there myself and it would be nice to meet up with other ECW readers there.

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Offer of Assistance to LENR Researchers (Gerold S)

The following post has been submitted by ECW poster Gerold.s  If anyone would like to get in touch with Gerold outside of this site, please let me know (ecatworld@gmail.com) and I will forward your contact information to him.

I recently made publicly a proposal to support individual, (serious) researchers with our competencies. Please to the following post:


The feedback was vague and unfortunatley unconcrete. However, I am not giving up 😉 and we are still open to support (serious) experimenters and researchers who have a need in mechanical manufacturing technologies.

I am already aware that different individuals of the community have different opinions and might not want to work together with others, because of some personal differences. But we want to stay open for all members, because I think we all have – hopefully – the same goal.

We are willing to work together with anybody in the field of LENR, who has a need for manufacturing technologies like CNC milling, lathing or TIG welding. Additionally we are currently looking into machining of glass ceramics like

BN (boron nitride) and others, which seem to play a vital role for LENR reactor components, because of the unique features of BN.

Since we are an educational institution our primary focus is rather an educational than financial, meaning that we

will cover the manufacturing costs and we only seek to share material and transportation costs for components to be manufactured and delivered. These terms are valid for anybody who is on an experimenting / prototype stage (non-profit stage). If confidentiality is an issue, we would be open to discuss the details.

I have contacted a few individuals, also Bob Greenyer from MFMP (this is already spread publicly) with whom we arranged on a collaboration agreement. So far I have received some feedback of interest, but no concrete requirement or project proposal to collaborate on.


Aerospace Corporation’s Nickel-Hydrogen LENR Research Paper Published

One of the presentations at the recent ICCF-21 conference was by Edward J. Beiting of the Aerospace Corporation, a California nonprofit research and development center. The title of his presentation was “Investigation of the Nickel-Hydrogen Anomalous Heat Effect”

Dr Beiting’s full report has now been uploaded to the LENR-CANR.org website here:


Here is an excerpt from the abstract of the presentation from the ICCF-21 summary posted here on the Cold Fusion Community website.

An apparatus was built that comprised identical test and a reference heated cells. These thermally isolated cells each contained two thermocouples and a 10 cm3 volume of ZrO2NiPd particles. Calibration functions to infer thermal power from temperature were created by electrically heating the filled cells with known powers when they were either evacuated or pressurized with 1 bar of N2. During the experimental trial, the test cell was pressurized with hydrogen and the control cell was pressurized with nitrogen. After conditioning the cells, both were heated to near 300°C for a period of 1000 hours (40 days). During this period, the test cell registered 7.5% more power (approximately 1 W) than the input power. The control cell measured approximately 0.05 W of excess power. The error in the excess power measurement was ±0.05 W.

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David Daggett announces political run

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE from John Coelho Cold Fusion Researcher David Daggett Runs for House in SE Washington State’s 35th District DAVID DAGGETT, an activist in efforts to protect the environment, understands well the ecological crisis our planet is facing and the need for exotic clean energy to counter it. Daggett is running for office to …

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Risks and Rewards For Businesses to Adopt The E-Cat

The most interesting piece of information, for me, to come out of my recent interview with Andrea Rossi was his answer to my question of how much money a customer will save by switching from their current energy source to the E-Cat. Rossi said the actual saving would depend on the specific situation, but said that the saving would be between 30 and 50 per cent.

That is the first time we have had even a ballpark number about how much the E-Cat would cost. It will be interesting to see how tempting that number will be to industrial customers. I would imagine that any industry, or any individual for that matter, would take notice if they were told that they could save up to half of their energy bill.

In many cases energy savings proposals come with an upfront cost, such as investing in a solar system, or a higher-efficiency furnace/AC unit. But Leonardo’s proposition apparently does not require any initial investment for equipment, since Leonardo will install the E-Cat hardware and will manage the E-Cats remotely at no charge.

There will be disruption required for the customer, which may come at some cost in time, space, and labor. They will have to find space for the E-Cat apparatus, and they will have to make modifications to their plants to incorporate an E-Cat heat source, and that might not be a trivial undertaking. They will also have to maintain a backup heat source and have it on continual standby in case the E-Cat goes offline — so that adds complexity.

Also, so far, Leonardo has no commercial track record. LENR is unknown to most people, and certainly not considered a real alternative energy source at this point. The customer cannot be sure how reliable the E-Cat will be. There is the risk that the E-Cat won’t work well for whatever reason, and the time and effort put into installation may not be worth it.

On the other hand, if the E-Cat system does work well, there are risks for customers not to give the E-Cat a chance. In industries where energy is significant cost of doing business, a savings of 30-50 percent could give a business an competitive advantage in terms of overall cost savings, allowing a business to provide products and/or services at lower costs to the end user.

There’s also the clean energy factor to consider. Again, if the E-Cat does work well, and it does not produce any pollution, it will be seen as an efficient way for a company to be environmentally responsible, which can count for a great deal in today’s economic and political environment.

It think it will be interesting to see whether the savings offered by Leonardo will be attractive enough for customers take them up on their E-Cat proposition.

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Interview with Andrea Rossi on E-Cat Commercialization

I had the opportunity to interview Andrea Rossi on June 11 2018 about the latest developments in his efforts to commercialize the E-Cat. You can listen to the interview at the YouTube link below.

A few of the main points covered:

The 100 kW E-Cat SK is still under development, and will undergo tests of months in length before they decide whether it is ready for commercialization.

The 1kW E-Cat QX is ‘almost’ ready. They will make a final decision by the end of June. Leonardo’s goal is to deliver E-Cats by the end of this year. Rossi stated that a public presentation may be delayed until early 2019 due to logistical difficulties of having a presentation in mid-winter during the holiday season when weather might be problematic.

Andrea Rossi stated that the first commercial efforts will be to provided heat for private industry. While technologically the E-Cat could be used to generate electricity in power stations, Rossi stated there are regulatory issues that make that a hard arena to break into.

The price that customers will pay for heat will depend on each specific situation, but Rossi states that it will be at between a 30 to 50 per cent discount on a customer’s current fuel costs.

Rossi has 22 people working with him as part of his team.

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Alexander Parkhomov Reports on Just-completed 225 Day Test

I have received the following report from Dr. Alexander Parkhomov.

I propose to acquaint visitors of e-catworld.com with this information:

On May 23, 2018, the nickel-hydrogen reactor developed by A.Parkhomov, launched on October 10, 2017, was switched off at the experimental design laboratory “KIT”. Hydrogen-saturated nickel weighing 1.2 g was used as fuel. The completion of the work is associated with a gradual reduction of excess heat release as a result of exhaustion of the energy resource of fuel. The reactor operated continuously for 225 days, generating 4200 MJ of thermal energy in excess of the consumed electricity (2.2 MeV per nickel atom). The maximum power of heat release is 1400 W at 380 W consumption (COP = 3,7), average 575 W at 355 W consumption (COP = 1,6).

Best wishes,

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Explaining Lugano (Bob Greener)

Bob Greenyer has published a new video titled “Explaining Lugano” in which he reviews the isotopic analyses that were found in the fuel/ash analysis of the 2014 Lugano test of the E-Cat. Bob reminds us that the main findings were that Al disappeared, all Ni isotopes migrated to 62 Ni, and the lithium ratios had inverted from natural ratios.

Bob has commented here on ECW: “Like the previous explanation of Parkhomov’s 4.2GJ, 5400h experiment published Wednesday morning, I present a simple explanation of the ash found after the LUGANO experiment, using most energetically favourable paths at FusFis.org

Bob’s slideshow is here:


The video can be seen here: