Russ George has updated his Atom-Ecology website with a new post (http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/08/14/goldilocks-fusion/) which gives a little more information about the testing that he is carrying out with his reactors, and has come up with the phrase “Goldilocks He writes:
Cold fusion fuel must be not only well heat sunk the reacting hot materials have to be dilute so that they don’t stay too cold, or get too hot, but make porridge that is just right . . . My present observations of coupling of the gamma and heat-producing reactions at a considerable distance make this process all the more mysterious. It is surely not neutron coupling. Some preliminary looking for anomalous magnetic effects offer hints but nothing on a grossly observable magnetic scale seems to be present. If there is a magnetic entanglement it is taking place via some here-to-fore unknown transfer medium. Does the magnetic force present itself as both a wave and particle?
“Today six cold fusion reactors are baking atom-ecology fuel mixtures and are reliably producing periodicity in both the cold fusion heat and gammas. It would seem that the reactions are self-moderating as well as being responsive to my chef’s tender care. It is a Goldilock’s reaction, the fuel pellet must be not to cold and not too hot, but just right for the optimum reactivity.”
Alan Smith, who is working alongside Russ, and whose lab Russ is working in, has been posting some comments here, and on this thread on the LENR Forum, regarding their work, and answering questions from interested followers.
We get little bits of information from Andrea Rossi about his E-Cat plans. It’s a drip by drip feed of information that helps clarify (a little) what his plans are. This week, from asking questions on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, we have been told that the 40 MW E-Cat plant that Rossi has been discussing is going to be the first plant installed. He’s planning on starting big. It seems to mean a great deal to Rossi, who posted rather poetically:
August 14, 2018 at 5:44 PM
It will be a magnificence as I can see it inside my brain. Pure Art of technology and a window with the view of the sun of the future. My life has been also a series of failures and errors and resiliency, but if all the enormous work for which I spent my life will have as a result this plant, my life will have been worth to be spent.
At this point, it sounds like the plant is still in the planning stages, and I believe that the reason is that Leonardo has still not decided whether to build this plant from QX reactors (1 kW) or SK reactors (10 kW). I believe the this decision will be made only after further testing. Rossi wrote today:
August 16, 2018 at 7:58 AM
Thank you for your kind wishes. Yes, an extremely important test will be made at the end of August through the first 10 days of September. After that, strategic decisions will have to be made.
I think that this “extremely important test” involves determining whether the SK is fit for purpose. Rossi has said that he hopes it is, because it will mean far fewer reactors (and presumably controllers) will have to be built, and the overall dimensions of the plant will be much smaller, since far fewer reactors will need to be built.
We’ll have to wait to find out how that testing goes. If there are still unresolved problems with the SK, than he may have to go with the larger plants using the QX. Rossi has said in the past that the QX is ready now, and he is holding fast to the projection of the January product presentation. From recent comments it sounds like the presentation will go forward even if the first industrial plant is not installed. When I asked if the first plant would be up and running before the presentation, Rossi replied: “maybe, but it is difficult.”
Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, Andrea Rossi revealed a pricing strategy for heat sold to customers from E-Cat plants. He was asked by Robert Dorr to clarify what the discount of E-Cat-produced heat for customers would be compared to the current fuel sources they are using.
Here is Rossi’s response:
August 14, 2018 at 5:34 AM
If our Customers now are spending 100, with the Ecat plants they will spend 80 and the price will be indexed with the variation of the market price, to maintain the 20% of earning for the Customer.
I followed up with a couple of questions of my own just for clarification:
August 14, 2018 at 6:57 AM
When you say that the cost of E-Cat heat will be “indexed with the variation of the market price”, do you mean:
1. That it will always be 20 per cent less expensive than whatever the customer would normally use (e.g. natural gas)?
2. That if the price of (for example) natural gas rises, the cost of E-Cat heat will also rise?
August 14, 2018 at 8:58 AM
So it seems that Leonardo’s plan is to make sure that E-Cat-provided heat is always cheaper than alternative sources. From Rossi’s answer to my second question, it would appear that the indexing does follow price increases in competing fuels, just price decreases. Whether a 20 per cent discount will be attractive enough to entice customers to contract with Leonardo remains to be seen (assuming the plants work as described).
We know that Andrea Rossi’s plan is not to sell E-Cat plants to customers, but to retain ownership and sell heat. But here is a Q&A that gives us an idea of how he values his technology.
August 11, 2018 at 8:40 PM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Can you tell us the price of the 40 MW plant?
August 12, 2018 at 1:52 AM
The Client will pay nothing for the plant, because it will remain of our property and the Client will pay only the heat. Should it be for sale its price would be 20 million $, but for the time being we are not going to sell.
That puts an industrial E-Cat plant at $500,000 per MW. We don’t know how much it will cost to build these plants, it will likely to be more expensive in the beginning until economies of scale are improved if he can get mass production off the ground. Since Rossi is not selling plants outright, and only selling heat once it is used, there will be a lot of upfront investment required for Leonardo. They will only be able to make money once the plants are up and running well, and customers are paying their bills.
Andrea Rossi has been posting recently about a contract Leonardo Corporation has made with a customer (unidentified) for a 40 MW E-Cat installation.
Rossi states that the plant is already under construction, although he says that they have not yet decided whether it will be using SK or QX reactors. He says they are still testing the SK 10 kW version and will have to make a decision in the near future whether it is ready for production.
According to Rossi, the SK and QX reactors are the same size, so presumably they can start building the plants before they make the final decision of which type to go with. However, if they go with the QX reactors (1 kW each), they will need 10 times the number compared to the SK. When asked about the size of this plant he replied:
August 9, 2018 at 6:28 AM
Assuming we use the SK 10,
Reactors plus heat exchanger 4 cubic meters, plus the control systems and the steam circuits.
So if the QX is used, then it will be 40 cubic meters in size which will be considerably larger, so I am sure that Rossi hopes that the SK is ready.
Russ George is reporting on his Atom-Ecology website that he has been consistently been seeing ‘heat after death’ in experiments he has been running in Alan Smith’s Looking for Heat lab near London.
The article is titled : “Glimpse of the end of the fossil fuel/fool age”, link is here: http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/08/08/glimpse-the-end-of-the-fossil-fuel-fool-age/
Russ states that he has been using small rice-grain size fuel pellets made “out of incredibly cheap and common materials” to heat a test bench reactor of several kilograms, and that he has been seeing gamma rays being produced over a period of about 100 days. In addition, he says has seen these fuel pellets producing heat in a cyclical fashion ranging from hot to not-so-hot.
He provides this image to show the cooling curve of one of his fueled reactors (red trace) after the power input has been turned off, compared to an unfueled one (green trace). The fueled reactor is shown to be delivering 25+ watts of heat output.
Russ says that the construction of his fuel pellets can be taught to the poorest of the world, and that he believes soon (in months rather than years) the world can start to end its dependence on fossil fuels, and the harmful effects of their emissions and waste.
Thanks to Russ for sharing more of his work. Clear demonstration ofeExcess heat is what many people have been hoping for in LENR experiments. I am sure there will be a lot of interest amongst LENR followers in how he is achieving his results, and I would expect there is more to come.
Brilliant Light Power has posted their 3rd Quarter 2018 update on their website here:
The update provides a lot of information about of BLP’s technology, including testing data and photographs and diagramas of laboratory experiments and equipment. It also includes references to recent publications about BLP’s scientific research, including the article “Power determination and hydrino product characterization of ultra-low field ignition of hydrated silver shots” published in the Chinese Journal of Physics here.
As far as recent developments go, here are a few highlights:
They are developing a “Pyrex-Stainless Steel SunCell for 400 °C Heater” which they say is currently in operation. Images are provided.
Recent and upcoming events include:
“•Major OEM team performed due diligence with visit on July 16th.
•Major Sovereign Wealth Fund Delegation visit on June 29th.
•Planning Energetic Materials Open House for Defense Agencies in October.”
As far as commercialization of their technology goes, they state that “Levers for Commercial Success” involve:
“Prove our power source to the world in the near term through power measurements, identification of the Hydrino® products of the reaction, and engineered power systems”
Andre Rossi wrote yesterday on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that Leonardo Corporation has set up a remote control system that they “deem almost impossible to be cracked.” He said that the remote control monitoring system for all the world will from a location in Miami, Florida:
August 4, 2018 at 8:28 AM
What we are proposing, as I said, is exclusively the installation of our Ecats in the factories of our Clients to sell the heat, controlling the plants in remote from our headquarter in Miami, wherever the plants might be in the world. We will maintain full property and control of the plant, while our Clients will save money paying our Joules much less that the normal market price. This will remain our policy for a long time, to maintain full control of our IP. We already have set up a remote control system that we deem almost impossible to be cracked.
I asked Rossi if the remote control system was being tested out, and if so, how it was working. He replied:
August 5, 2018 at 3:45 AM
We are making tests and we are satisfied of them so far. Obviously the difficult part is not to make a remote control, as modulated as it might be, but to make it impossible to be hacked. We are being helped also by retired military specialists of the field.
If the remote control system works as described, one vulnerability will be that E-Cat plants worldwide are going to be dependent on a reliable internet connection between themselves and Miami. There are many reasons why internet connections can fail — e.g. equipment failure, to natural or man-made disasters, to government actions — and of course there are places in the world where reliable internet is just not available.
Rossi has made it clear IP protection is paramount, and he is unlikely to be deterred from this business plan. Above he says this policy will be in force for ‘a long time’. If you are a business that is willing to contract with Leonardo to purchase E-Cat heat, you will have to have a standby backup source of heat ready to deploy in cases when the internet signal goes down.
Whether the IP will be well-protected with this system is another issue. Rossi states he thinks that it will be ‘almost’ impossible to hack, but also says they are still working with ex-military experts on what he calls a ‘difficult’ issue, so they cannot be totally confident that they have safeguarded their IP with this measure.
I expect they will try as hard as they can to become hack-proof, and remain so, but they must realize that if E-Cat technology is as revolutionary as Rossi maintains, Leonardo will become a huge target for people trying to find out how they do what they do.
A couple of posts by readers on this thread caught my attention as they bring up a subject that I’ve thought about quite a bit. Assuming the E-Cat and the remote control system both work as described by Andrea Rossi, what is the likelihood of industrial companies signing up to use it?
Vinney wrote this:
Rossi has been very clever in his marketing plans, the distribution costs are bourne by Leonardo Corporation, so to the customer the adoption costs are the same whether you are in America or Europe, and thus practically nil.
There are virtually no reasons not to try Rossi’s E-cat in some portion of your manufacturing enterprise.
The maintenance costs are also nil to the customer.
The cost of heat (like the cost of power) are 100% deductible as a business expense.
This is an extremely difficult model to compete against.
Causal observer replied with this:
Reasons why people might not give the E-Cat a try:
> might fail, causing a lot of wasted time
> people might cast aspersions
> board members own carbon energy stock
> cost of hookup in parallel with existing systems (who pays?)
> general overhead cost of doing the contract and managing the customer part of the install
> too busy to stop and talk about it
> don’t want to be laughed at if it fails
> subordinate managers and employees express concerns about radiation
> someone starts a negative PR campaign about Rossi (although they’d better be ready to receive letters from Rossi’s lawyers on that!)
> general resistance to change
The trick in sales is not to focus on your product’s virtues, but to think about the customers’ resistance.
My guess is that Rossi already his early customers lined up via C-level contacts who have already brushed all of the above considerations aside. Class chasm problem, though.
I think both posters have valid points. On the face of it, signing on for cheaper, cleaner energy without any upfront investment would seem like a no-brainer. But there is a tension between both embracing and rejecting it which I think rests upon whether you are willing to take a chance on trying out a brand new, as-yet unaccepted technology, or if you are afraid of being wrong.
I think many decision makers in business worry about looking foolish and running the risk of being ridiculed if things go wrong. In business, many executives worry about investors/partners/press/public think. If you make a big misstep, you could be fired, if you’re a public company you company could lose market value on the stock market, you could be the laughing stock of the business or scientific press, you could be trashed on social media.
Then there are those who are willing to take a risk, to try something news in order to be on the cutting edge. With the E-Cat, as Vinney writes, Leonardo’s business model puts all the financial risk on Leonardo and not on the customer, so if the E-Cat doesn’t work, you haven’t lost out financially. If it works, you stand to gain a lot in saved energy costs.
Keeping your involvement with Leonardo secret makes sense for early adopters. If you try it and it doesn’t work, then few people will know about it, and you save face. If you try it and it does work, then you save money and become more competitive without your competitors figuring out how you are able to do so.
For Rossi and Leonardo, the best situation to be in is to have satisfied customers with good reputations publicly stating they are using the E-Cat with good results. That is the best form of advertisingm and I think Leonardo might be able to persuade some early adopters to go public if they offer the reduced costs of energy in return for them publicizing their use of the E-Cat
I think the hardest lifting will be at the beginning. If the E-Cat plants work well, and satisfied customers start talking, it will become less risky for people to give Leonardo a chance.