Rossi’s Industrial E-Cat Strategy

This week’s revelations by Andrea Rossi about Leonardo Corporation’s business plan and technical strategy has been one of the most surprising things I have learned since I started following the progress of Rossi’s E-Cat.

I was not terribly surprised to learn that Rossi was planning to sell heat, rather than plants, because this is something he has talked about on and off over the years. The thing that took me off guard was the fact that in Rossi’s plan the E-Cat plants are to be controlled directly from Leonardo Corp’s headquarters. I just hadn’t even considered that as a possibility.

However, thinking about it, there are plenty of remote control application in the world, and knowing Rossi’s business philosophy, business goals and his desire for protection and control of his IP, this strategy – assuming it can work technologically – fits with his outlook.

There has been a lot of discussion on the implications of this strategy, and I have been thinking about it quite a bit, and some of my thoughts are outlined below.

Benefits for Leonardo:

  • The control secrets are off-site, providing more IP protection and confidence to implement E-Cat technology into the world.
  • Leonardo is able to directly monitor the performance of the E-Cat plants at multiple plants from one location, helpful for data collection and troubleshooting especially in the early days of sales and installations

Risks for Leonardo

  • In addition to providing an unprecedented energy source, the business plan is unusual. Industries may be suspicious about the secrecy and be wary of participating.
  • There will be significant costs required to set up, maintain and protect the telecommunications systems involved.
  • Using the internet to deliver the control signals to the e-cats adds another layer of complexity to the E-Cat’s operations. Internet connectivity may be problematic at times and Leonardo would likely be a target for hackers trying to steal secrets, or trying to disrupt their operations.
  • The more plants that are installed, the more complex the remote control and monitoring becomes. If Leonardo is knocked offline completely, then E-Cat plants in all locations will cease to work, affecting customers financially and operationally, and Leonardo loses revenues until resolved.

Benefits for Customers

  • Cost savings on heat for their industrial processes.
  • Reduction in carbon emissions.
  • No need for upfront investment in an unknown technology.
  • If it doesn’t work, or if does not work well, no loss to the customer. No need for training staff to run the E-Cat operations.

Risks for Customers

  • With E-Cat power supply dependent on internet connectivity, cost savings are dependent upon stable internet communications with Leonardo. If internet connectivity is unreliable, E-Cat benefits will be reduced.
  • There will be a need to continue to provide and maintain a backup energy source.
  • Entering into a 5-year contract could lock in higher costs if E-Cat costs go down as the technology improves over time.

My interest in the E-Cat and LENR in general has always been because of the practical benefits it can potentially provide. I think it is a good sign that Andrea Rossi is now working on an implementation plan, because I think the sooner that LENR can be put to work in the real world, the better.  Whether Rossi’s plan will be successful still remains to be seen. Even he has stated that it may not be the long term strategy:


Dr Andrea Rossi:
Your strategy to maintain the control system centralized in your HQ is one of the most genial solution you could think about.

Andrea Rossi

It has resolved the reverse engineering issue and allows us to maintain a direct observation of the behavior of all our Ecats. Surely this will be our strategy for the first “pioneers” years. Eventually, we will see.
Warm Regards,





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The Chiral Particle Radiation Hydrodynamics Effect (Axil Axil)

The following post has been submitted by Axil Axil

The flow of EMF radiation through plasma will separate particles based on their chirality. Since chiral particles migrate at different speeds when exposed to emf radiation, chiral particles will collect into separate regions and then further separate by their charge. This difference in how particles react to deal with photon momentum imparted by emf radiation and the then its subsequent absorption and later release of that energy is called chiral radiation hydrodynamics.

For the theory of how EMF radiation can separate chiral particles, see

Lateral optical force on chiral particles near a surface

In the SAFIRE experiment, multiple layers of chiral particles form. The emf emitted by the stimulating current flow is retarded and stored in each double layer. This storage mechanism is analogous to the way a wall comprised of many layers will retard a large wave.

The speed of light in that current flow is greatly slowed in response to the way hydrogen stores and releases that energy at its intrinsic natural resonance. This storage of this energy is amplified in each double layer as the emf energy moves to the outermost double layer until the outermost layer receives and stores an energy balance sufficient to generate hydrogen fusion that produces helium 3. This is the method in which the Radiation implosion based Teller–Ulam design for the hydrogen bomb works.

Radiation implosion

Tritium is not produced in this fusion reaction since the outermost double layer in which the fusion occurs is comprised of left handed chiral particles. Chiral particle separation insures that no radiation is generated by this fusion reaction.

The LENR reaction in SAFIRE

When the tungsten probe is inserted into a double layer, the Surface Plasmon Polaritons on the surface of the tungsten is excited through the release of the energy stored in the double layer. This high level of stored energy is converted into a polariton petal condensate as the density of polaritons grows large. The condensate generated by the LENR reaction and the chiral separation of particles in the double layer blocks all nuclear level radiation produced by the LENR reaction.

Androcles Reactor Setup Photos (Alan Smith)

These photos were posted in the previous Androcles thread by Alan Smith.

Here’s some pictures of the Androcles reactor set-up. A Petri dish for LENR, and more a-building.



And ‘under construction’ reactors.


And again..


And a mica-window pancake Geiger detector (with LFH’s design of front shield to protect that fragile mica bubble).


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Leonardo to Begin Commercialization by Selling Heat, not E-Cat Plants: Q & A With Andrea Rossi

Below is a Q & A exchange conducted today via email with Andrea Rossi regarding his plans for the commercial roll-out of industrial E-Cats.

1. Can you explain why you have decided now to announce that you are taking orders for the industrial E-Cat plants?

Because if we make plants we need clients.

2. You have been developing industrial E-Cat products for many years now. However, first generation E-Cat plants, like the one you operated during the 1-year test in Doral, never went into mass production. What is different with the current generation of E-Cat?

The former Ecats were not ready to be operated from clients.

3. For someone hearing about the E-Cat for the first time, and interested as a possible customer, what information would you like to tell them about your product?

The Customer has just to know how much energy we deliver, in which form and at what price, plus the information that will be contained in the safety instructions. We will make the installation

4. What size (in power rating) plants are you taking orders for?

1 MW

5. How much physical space would a 1 MW E-Cat plant occupy?

15′ x 9′ x 9′

6. If someone orders a plant today when can they expect to be able to receive it?

End 2018/2019 first quarter

7. Comparing an E-Cat plant to a typical natural gas heating system of the same power rating, about how much cheaper would it be to operate over one year?


8. You have mentioned recently for example that industrial plants could be installed in facilities like factories, hospitals and greenhouses which need heat. What would be your definition of an industrial application for an E-Cat?

An application wherein the heat is used by an industry for any purpose

9. What would be the approximate cost of a 1MW plant if it were ordered today?

We will sell heat, not plants

10. Is your business model now to only sell heat, or will you sell plants to customers in the future?

It will depend on the evolution of the situation

11. At the factories where you sell heat, will Leonardo personnel operate the plants, or will employees of the local company operate them?

The plant will be operated in remote from our headquarter, through the cloud with dedicated servers. The Client will not have any operation to do inside the plant

12. When a customer makes an agreement with Leonardo, are they agreeing to pay just a monthly energy bill, or are there other up-front costs involves (such as installation fees)?

This will depend on the agreement.

13. What is the minimum length of time for a contract duration?

5 years

14. What is the guaranteed minimum COP of an E-Cat plant?


15. What is the maximum temperature or steam that an E-Cat plant can produce?

600 C

16. Who will install E-Cat plants for customers?

Leonardo Corporation

17. How will training on how to operate an E-Cat plant be done?

The expert responsible for safety of the Client will make a course on site

18. Like with any product, a typical customer will more than likely want to see a demonstration of an E-Cat plant before making a decision to purchase. When will you show your new product, and demonstrate it in operation?

When one will be in operation

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Rossi Ready to Start Accepting Orders For 1MW Plants

For people wanting to get to the head of the queue for ordering E-Cat Plants when they are ready, Andrea Rossi signaled today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he is ready to start entering in to customer agreements to do so.

May 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Are you ready to accept orders for the industrial plants? If yes, how is possible to start a deal?
Thank you if you can answer,

Andrea Rossi
May 14, 2018 at 1:30 PM
Yes, we are open now to begin to examine requests for 1 thermal MW plants, but only from industries that use directly the heat for their production process in their factories. For this utilization we have the necessary certifications and our industrialization is scheduled to start at the end of the year. Therefore the answer is YES, but the Customers must be aware of the fact that the delivery terms could be modified. The contracts will take in consideration this fact.
Warm Regards,

A few things of note here: The output is 1 thermal MW, so it seems like that will be the minimum size. Rossi says that they will ‘examine requests’, so he might be selective about who gets the plants. It looks like to be considered you have to be a legitimate industrial customer who will use the heat in the production process — this is what the plants are certified for. The industrialization is ‘scheduled’ to start at the end of 2018, but that is not guaranteed at this point. There’s no mention of price, guaranteed COP or temperature range. There’s nothing yet on the website yet, which is still showing data about the first generation plant, which is the low temperature model which was operated during the 1 year Doral test, but which hasn’t been on the market.

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“Cold Fusion: Hunter of the lost treasure.” ( Article)

Thanks to Veblin for providing a link to a new article from the German website titled “Cold Fusion: Hunter of the lost treasure.”

The original German article is here:

A Google English translation is here:

The author, Janosch Deeg, reviews the current field of cold fusion, and contrasts it with “Hot” fusion. He interviews Hartmut Zohm, professor of physics at the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München who is working on the hot side of fusion. Zohm was a doctoral student at the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics (IPP) time of the Pons and Fleischmann announcement, and neither he or his colleagues there could replicate the Pons-Fleischmann effect.

On the cold side of fusion, Deeg interviews Peter Hagelstein of MIT who is a champion of the LENR effect in the academic field, and is working to understand what might be going on the phenomenon. David Nagel, a professor of computer and electrical engineering at George Washington University tells Zeeg that there are results in LENR research that can’t be explained away. Swedish physicist Hanno Essén is also interviewed, he still seems convinced that Rossi has developed a working LENR process (Essén was one of the first academics to witness an E-Cat test).

From the article:

He [Essén] is pretty sure that the E-Cat is actually producing excess heat: “Based on the measurements I participated in and the reports of other independent scientists, I would say the evidence is pretty good that Rossi can generate unusual heat.” In his opinion, there are enough other physical effects that have not yet been explained. That’s why LENR is not unique to him. He describes Rossi as a “hard-working entrepreneur with numerous skills.” Essén criticizes, however, that for the inventor rather the economic than the scientific interests were in the foreground.

I think the article is a fair and neutral review of what is going on in LENR at the moment. On the experimental side of things, from numerous published articles and reports, there very interesting results that have been reported, which point to nuclear effects happening. But I don’t think things will change too much in terms of mainstream interest until there are useful products available in the marketplace.

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New Breed of Athletic Robots (Video)

New video has been released by Boston Dynamics of some of its latest robots in action. Earlier videos from the company had shown pack-horse type robots that were designed for use by military units covering rough terrain. This latest video shows some four legged and two legged robots doing some very impressive moves.

Watching some of the moves in this video, it’s not hard to think of places these kinds of robots could be put to work, especially in environments which currently involve hard manual labor and repetitive tasks. And of course it brings up the ongoing debate about what such robots might have on the future of work and employment.

It seems like technological sophistication is just continuing to accelerate these days, and it will be interesting to see how our world will adapt.

Rossi: “We Have Started to Build Production Lines”

Recent comments from Andrea Rossi have indicated progress in terms of the industrialization effort. He said a few days ago that he was 50 per cent of the way to the finish line. Today he provided a little more information. I asked about the status of the production preparations and got some answers:

Frank Acland
May 8, 2018 at 2:02 PM
Dear Andrea,

If possible, could you confirm or not confirm my interpretation of the current situation.

1) You are currently working in one location in the USA?
2) You have started to build a production system?
3) The production system is designed to build 1 kW E-Cat QX Modules?
4) You have not yet started producing the modules in the system (too early)?
5) The production system you are building will have the capacity to build 100,000 1 kW Modules over the course of one year?
6) If the production system works well, and if sales are strong enough, you can duplicate the production system to increase capacity?

Andrea Rossi
May 8, 2018 at 2:41 PM
Frank Acland:
1- yes
2- yes
3- yes
4- exactly
5- yes
6- yes
Warm Regards,

In response to another question on the same topic by Albert Ellul, Ross posted this:

Andrea Rossi
May 8, 2018 at 2:47 PM
Albert Ellul:
I have not said that the production lines are already in place. I said they we have started to build them.
We started in the USA, but we are looking for Sweden as well.
The fundamental module has a power of 1 kW.
We will have depots everywhere they will be necessary.
Warm Regards,

For many years Rossi has spoke about having plans for ‘robotized production lines’, but not until now has he confirmed that he has actually started building any kind production line. I don’t think it is too surprising that he is getting this organized in one location initially where he and his team can work actually getting in place an automated E-Cat production system. It can’t be that easy to build such a system from scratch. According to Rossi, they are not yet making working E-Cats, but he says that he wants to reach that crucial milestone by the end of this year.

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Does Brilliant Light Power Reactor’s Run on Overunity Too? (A Speculation)

The following post has been submitted by Zephir Zephir

Those who follow experiments of Brilliant Light Power (BLP) of Dr. Randell L. Mills undoubtedly realized, that – despite the hydrino theory used for their explanation – these experiments are conceptually similar to another overunity technologies based on the plasma formation during gas discharges (Papp’s plasma engineLangmuir’s overunity from atomar hydrogen, Chernetsky plasma generato r or underwater discharges 12345 for to name just a few), including the cold fusion Quark-X reactor of Andrea Rossi. In addition there is fundamental problem with identification of source of energy in the hydrino model, because Dr. Randell Mills says, that hydrino is energetically most stable ash, so it should pile-up inside our Universe at various places, not to say about forming compounds presented by Dr. Mills. From this perspective his hypothesis, that the hydrino forms dark matter also gives sense – but it should preferably clump and to form hydrino based dense objects all around us – which was never observed.

In dense aether model perspective there is no reason for why the hydrino should be stable, more stable than ground state of hydrogen the more. In this model the particles in vacuum resemble pollen grains floating at the water surface being shaken by its Brownian noise. The similar noise (colloquially called Zero Point Energy) in vacuum is caused by vacuum fluctuations and it’s responsible for the fact, that superfluid helium doesn’t freeze even at zero absolute temperature. We can imagine, that quantum fluctuations of vacuum are shaking with helium atoms and they’re prohibiting them in their arranging into crystal. The similar effect would also prohibit the formation of more compact sub-quantum states, which are considered by Rande l Mills theory. If we squeeze the atoms more, they will not collapse into hydrinos, but they will bounce back into basic quantum state once the pressure gets released (this effect keeps the stars before collapse and it is called degenerated pressure). We can imagine some exotic situations, where subquantum states could be still preferred, like the Casimir vacuum inside metal nanocracks or surface cavities of metals of negative curvature – but just these situations are missing in BLP’s experiments with exploding wires and/or SunCell® reactor, which contains only molten or evaporate d metal (silver) and plasma – nothing else.

Another pilar of Randell Mills theory is nonradiation condition (see also Sommerfeld radiation condition), which is supposed to stabilize hydrino atoms in accordance to hydrino model. Dr. Mills considers, that hydrogen orbitals form thin spherical shells, the electronic transition of whose get suppressed in similar way, like the radiation of spherical antennae. This is correct insight, but by itself it wouldn’t make hydrino atoms energetically richer. Instead it, it promotes special way of electronic transitions – so called forbidden mechanism, during which the orbital shell collapses all at once during very brief time, being metastable. In my theory of overunity such a metastable transition is of negentropic character, because the spherical shape of electron orbitals prohibits the smooth transition – so it can include negentropic effects, being assisted by vacuum fluctuations. Negentropic effects are quite common in the nature and they involve all irreversible transitions like oversaturation, overheating or overcooling effects, when the energy is not released smoothly – but after overcoming some activation energy. At the moment when this energy gets supplied by vacuum fluctuations, then the net result during fast repeating these transitions can be positive instead of negative.

Considering that energy transitions of hydrogen can be also forbidden, it would mean, that it’s not the hydrino formation itself, but the highly symmetric, i.e. spherical geometry of orbital transition is responsible for observed surplus of energy, claimed by Randall Mills. This explanation actually doesn’t exclude the existence of subquantum statees of hydrogen, on the contrary – it just doesn’t require to be stable, more stable than fundamental ground state the more. It also means, that Dr. Mills hydrino theory is not downright wrong – but merely incomplete description of the reality of BLP process and patents. The advantage of this explanation is, it comprehends another observations of overunity in plasma, which could have the same origin – even without permanent formation of hydrinos. Their atoms just should be present in fully dissociated atomar state (as Lan gmuir al so has found) – because only such a state provides perfectly spherically symmetric orbitals. But monoatomar noble gases and their mixtures (dtto Papp’s engine) are usable for this purpose too. It could also explain, why Dr. Mills observed his overunity effects mostly in ultraviolet spectrum, where the hydrogen atoms get fully dissociated into atomic hydrogen. In this sense it may be important, that some aditives (chlorine or oxygen) may assist during hydrogen ionization or recombination in similar way, like catalytic metals promoted by Dr. Mills (tungsten, silver?).

Of course the overunity during atomar hydrogen recombination could apply also to most recent QuarkX reactor of Andrea Rossi in lesser or greater extent thus complementing nuclear reactions (cold fusion) – but this is just a speculation in a given moment. What is more important is, the assistance of vacuum fluctuations during symmetric collapse of spherical fields may apply to wide range of another overunity phenomena at various scales – from isomerization of nuclei (Valee synergic generator) over plasma overunity (as noted above) to collapse of magnetic domains during saturation of ferromagnets (MEG of T. Beardeen and/or various magnetic motors) and/or collapse of bubbles during cavitation (Rosh buyoance engine) and/or even collapsing fields inside spherical capacitors (Testatica of Paul Baumann) and conical/concentric bucking coils of (various Tesla and Kapanadze generators). These perspective are currently subject of my undergoing private research.

Androcles: The Hunt is On (Russ George)

Russ George submitted the following post.

Rossi, it seems to me, has long been not revealing all. The reports of gamma radiation from his e-cats are to be found though Rossi has been coy about such emissions. His apparent use of lead shielding on his e-cats reveals there is a real trail to follow. Some few cold fusion researchers have repeatedly and reproducibly seen emissions so the trail of gammas (in this case) is real. In working recently to better understand how Rossi puts together and operates his reactors and indeed other ‘tube furnace type reactors’ I have surmised that a radiation signature would be a very useful diagnostic and control tool.

Building upon my decades of experience with cold fusion experiments in a variety of modalities I undertook to find what utility there might be on Rossi’s trail. As it happens my very first experiments with my own designed and prepared fuels and protocols have proven my assumptions were/are correct. Gamma signatures provide plenty of directly and immediately observable signal to initiate, control, and enhance the reaction rate of such ‘cats’ or as I have named my experimental reactors ‘Androcles’. This is not as cold a version of cold fusion as Fleischmann’s room temperature but much less than 1000 C + or stellar temperatures but quite unmistakably ‘cold fusion.’

Below is the very early, very RAW, but dramatic data that suggests the trail is hot and the hunt is on!


Given that the fuel amounts to the volume of a few grains of rice the magic ingredient being deuterium, well… it just works.

Thanks for making the lab bench space available to me as well as help and friendship go to Alan and Martin at “Looking for Heat.”

Here’s a link to my blog and more on the progress of Androcles.

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