Rossi: Dealing with the ‘Highest Echelons in the Industrial World’

Andrea Rossi was asked on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday about who he has been talking to since he announced that Leonardo was ready to make deals to sell heat.

Wilber Averhart
June 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM
Dear Andrea,
I suppose you are already in advanced status with the development of agreements to supply heat, after your announcement that the deals are open. Curiosity: which is the average dimensions of the companies you are mainly engaged with?

Andrea Rossi
June 28, 2018 at 6:08 PM
Wilber Averhart:
At the moment we are dealing only with the highest echelons of the industrial world.
Warm Regards,

As I wrote yesterday regarding the need for commercial LENR in order for it to be taken seriously, if Rossi really has what he says he has, then the “highest echelons” of industry are naturally going to be very interested in what he has, because the E-Cat represents a real revolution in energy production and an opportunity for cost savings and cleaner energy that has not been available previously.

If the E-Cat is for real, and really is ready for commercialization, potential customers are going to be looking very carefully at whether they should adopt it, since the potential savings offer companies such a competitive advantage — and conversely, a competitive disadvantage if they don’t adopt it, and their competitors do.

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LENR Needs Commercial Success

From various reports from around the world, such as the recent ICCF-21 conference in Colorado, we know that there is a dedicated group of researchers who are working hard in the LENR field, and are having some experimental success demonstrating that LENR is a valid field of scientific research. This has actually been the case for many years now, but it is still basically a neglected field, still struggling for respectability after the tarnishing that took place soon after 1989.

Based on publicly available information, I don’t see any prospects for LENR entering the commercial space in the near future beyond Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat. There may be some dark horses working behind the scenes, but one would expect that if Leonardo is really getting ready for a commercial launch, that anyone else ready to produce marketable products would be gearing up to fight for customers.

So my perception is that if Rossi comes through with a working commercial E-Cat within the next year or so, the field will get a real boost in new interest, and if he gets even some initial traction in terms of customers signing up for his “heat as a service” business plan, then one would expect that established players in the energy field will sit up and take notice, and start to try and figure out how Rossi is doing what he is doing.

Rossi has been very careful to provide as little help to potential competitors as possible in terms of providing information about how the E-Cat works, but he must realize that success for him could unleash a huge amount of R&D into the LENR field from new players who will surely think that if a lone inventor can pull off commercial LENR, then it is not beyond the reach of organizations with vastly more resources than Rossi has had. Thus, Rossi’s first-to-market advantage (assuming he makes it) may be challenged quite quickly.

However, if Rossi doesn’t come through, I don’t expect a great deal of change in the field in the near term. Simply stated, LENR needs to be commercialized for it to take off. Without commercial products, or at least strong experimental evidence of commercial-grade energy production, I would expect there will continue to be low levels of interest in LENR and we’ll continue on the present levels of activity.

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Rossi: “Now Retrofitting” A Gas Turbine with the E-Cat SK

From comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and in my recent interview with Andrea Rossi, it is clear that in recent weeks he has turned his attention from the E-Cat QX to the E-Cat SK.

Although he hasn’t gone into a great deal of detail, he has been talking about using the 100 kW E-Cat SK to drive what he is calling a “modified gas engine” which can generate electricity.

Here is question and answer with Iggy Dalrymple from the Journal of Nuclear Physics on the topic:

Iggy Dalrymple
June 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM
Dear Dr Rossi,
As you know, large electrical utility companies use gas turbines for their peak load time of the day or during extreme temperature weather. They use hydro, nuclear, or coal for their base load.

Once you have perfected the mating of your SK with a gas turbine, do you anticipate:
1- Retrofitting the SK to existing utility owned gas turbines?
2- Or must the turbines be custom built to accommodate the SK?

Andrea Rossi
June 23, 2018 at 5:28 PM
Iggy Dalrymple:
Now we are retrofitting.
Warm Regards

In an earlier Q&A with Raffaele Bongo Rossi indicated that they were having success with this approach.

Raffaele Bongo
June 22, 2018 at 3:22 PM
Hello A. Rossi

The coupling of a reactor with a turbine seems very promising for the electric propulsion of land vehicles
Can you tell us how many Quark SK 100s have you installed in this reactor that you are testing and have you ever reached a COP greater than 1?
Thank you for your answers
All my support for your team
Best regards

Andrea Rossi
June 22, 2018 at 4:27 PM
Raffaele Bongo:
We have installed one reactor and the COP has been >1.
Warm Regards,

So as usual, Andrea Rossi is not content to rest on his earlier technological achievements. He says he has developed the QX to a point where he thinks it is ready for manufacturing, he has another avenue to pursue. In another question on the JONP, I asked him if he was satisfied with the control he has over the SK so far he answered, “yes: the next week we will make another crucial test.”

It will be interesting to find out more about that test and how it went.

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Where the E-Cat ‘Heat as a Service’ Might Make Sense

An interesting post by Tom Kaminski on this thread:

In March, 2016 the local IEEE Section toured the central heating/cooling plant for the University of Wisconsin, Madison campus. It produces roughly 300 MW of steam and could also use steam-turbine driven chillers for chilled water. The site was recently converted from coal to natural gas and the boilers could also burn fuel oil. Because the natural gas supply was on an interruptible schedule, they stored about US$ 4 million worth of fuel oil. On one particularly cold January weekend, they used most of the fuel oil up when the extreme cold required the utility to cut off their gas supply to maintain . supplies for city residents. This newsletter (mid way down the page) has some information and pictures:

My point is, the “backup” heating supply is often required for commercial customers to get the best utility fuel rates. Rossi’s “must have their own backup” plan is not going to be that restrictive. If he provides the capital equipment, the commercial users will have only a small cost (facility mods and space for the equipment) and if is saves operating costs for fuel, it will be advantageous.

Supplying 300MW of heat, however with the current Rossi design might take a bit of work…

I will add a comment of my own here. I was talking recently with a former director of a paper mill who told me that during his working life there the company installed a natural gas Combined Heat and Power (CHP) system that provided all the heat and power to the mill, taking it off-grid. In addition to the natural gas source was, as Tom describes above, a fuel oil backup system stored in large tanks that could be used when there was an interruption in the gas supply.

Of course this made me wonder whether an E-Cat could be used instead of natural gas to provide the heat needed to run such a CHP system, keeping the natural gas and/or oil as a backup. I actually asked Andrea Rossi about this in my recent interview, and he said that Leonardo would be providing only heat, it would be up to the customer to decide what they wanted to do with that heat.

Assuming the E-Cat works well, if it’s simply a matter of replacing one heat source with another, without extensive engineering involved to do that, a company might be inclined to give the E-Cat a try, if the savings are attractive enough.

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ICCF-21 Monday and Tuesday Presentations

Cold Fusion Now! attended the 21st International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science ICCF-21 held June 3-8 at Colorado State University in Fort Collins, Colorado, US and captured video and snapshots of the event. Pages summarizing the presentations are currently under construction, but take a peek at Monday and Tuesday’s summaries enhanced with audio files …

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Rossi Solicits Invitation Requests to ‘USA, East Coast’ E-Cat Presentation

If anyone is interested in attending the anticipated presentation of Andrea Rossi/Leonardo’s industrial E-Cat, Rossi made the following post today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics in response to a question about the event.

“Anonymous June 17, 2018 at 7:15 PM
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
Where and when you presume will be the presentation of the industrialized Ecat ready for the heat sale?
Will be any of the readers of this blog to attend?

Andrea Rossi June 18, 2018 at 3:41 AM
I presume and hope between the end of December and the end of January.
It will be in the USA, East Coast.
All the Reafers that desire to attend can send a request of invitation to:
Obviously not all can be invited, but I will select the ones that I deem will have more merit, based on their sustain and suggestions.
The attendance will be free.
Warm Regards, A.R. “

It sounds now like it will take place in early in 2019. It’s not clear yet whether it will be at a customer’s factory or in some other location. I think Rossi wants to make a big splash with this presentation, and I am sure that he will be making invitations to media representatives to help raise awareness about the product launch, so they may have priority. I hope that there will be enough places for plenty of people to attend. I hope to be there myself and it would be nice to meet up with other ECW readers there.

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Offer of Assistance to LENR Researchers (Gerold S)

The following post has been submitted by ECW poster Gerold.s  If anyone would like to get in touch with Gerold outside of this site, please let me know ( and I will forward your contact information to him.

I recently made publicly a proposal to support individual, (serious) researchers with our competencies. Please to the following post:

The feedback was vague and unfortunatley unconcrete. However, I am not giving up 😉 and we are still open to support (serious) experimenters and researchers who have a need in mechanical manufacturing technologies.

I am already aware that different individuals of the community have different opinions and might not want to work together with others, because of some personal differences. But we want to stay open for all members, because I think we all have – hopefully – the same goal.

We are willing to work together with anybody in the field of LENR, who has a need for manufacturing technologies like CNC milling, lathing or TIG welding. Additionally we are currently looking into machining of glass ceramics like

BN (boron nitride) and others, which seem to play a vital role for LENR reactor components, because of the unique features of BN.

Since we are an educational institution our primary focus is rather an educational than financial, meaning that we

will cover the manufacturing costs and we only seek to share material and transportation costs for components to be manufactured and delivered. These terms are valid for anybody who is on an experimenting / prototype stage (non-profit stage). If confidentiality is an issue, we would be open to discuss the details.

I have contacted a few individuals, also Bob Greenyer from MFMP (this is already spread publicly) with whom we arranged on a collaboration agreement. So far I have received some feedback of interest, but no concrete requirement or project proposal to collaborate on.


Aerospace Corporation’s Nickel-Hydrogen LENR Research Paper Published

One of the presentations at the recent ICCF-21 conference was by Edward J. Beiting of the Aerospace Corporation, a California nonprofit research and development center. The title of his presentation was “Investigation of the Nickel-Hydrogen Anomalous Heat Effect”

Dr Beiting’s full report has now been uploaded to the website here:

Here is an excerpt from the abstract of the presentation from the ICCF-21 summary posted here on the Cold Fusion Community website.

An apparatus was built that comprised identical test and a reference heated cells. These thermally isolated cells each contained two thermocouples and a 10 cm3 volume of ZrO2NiPd particles. Calibration functions to infer thermal power from temperature were created by electrically heating the filled cells with known powers when they were either evacuated or pressurized with 1 bar of N2. During the experimental trial, the test cell was pressurized with hydrogen and the control cell was pressurized with nitrogen. After conditioning the cells, both were heated to near 300°C for a period of 1000 hours (40 days). During this period, the test cell registered 7.5% more power (approximately 1 W) than the input power. The control cell measured approximately 0.05 W of excess power. The error in the excess power measurement was ±0.05 W.

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David Daggett announces political run

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE from John Coelho Cold Fusion Researcher David Daggett Runs for House in SE Washington State’s 35th District DAVID DAGGETT, an activist in efforts to protect the environment, understands well the ecological crisis our planet is facing and the need for exotic clean energy to counter it. Daggett is running for office to …

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