Rossi: ‘Money, Money, Money’ Needed to Go to ‘War’ with the E-Cat

We are still waiting on many details, but the way Andrea Rossi is talking these days makes it sound like he has reached an important peak with the E-Cat SKL which can apparently produce kilowatts of electrical power without a need for input from an external power source and using negligible amounts of fuel, which rarely needs to be replaced. And it apparently produces no ionizing radiation, nor carbon emissions.

It sounds like a dream come true for an energy-hungry world trying to wean itself off fossil fuels. But the way Rossi is posting now, it sounds like major problems are just beginning, as he states today in response to a question today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Calle H
August 30, 2020 at 7:33 AM
Dear Andrea,

It is easy to understand the impact the E-Cat will have on our society. On one side the elite will lose power when they no longer can control world energy flows. On another side the poor and energy dependant population will bear fruit for not having to pay the high price for energy as governed by the elite. On a third side the E-Cat will put a stop to the very source for climate change. Which of the three sides do you think will be most important when the E-Cat is introduced?

Thank you for your very impressive work.
Calle H

Andrea Rossi
August 30, 2020 at 12:43 PM
Calle H:
We will fight for the second and third way, but we will meet more bayonets than flowers and our foes will not be several idiots from some fora, as it happens now. At the beginning. This is why we are so prudent to start the battle. It will be a war, not a triumph. And to make a war you need three things:
1: money
2: money
3: money
Warm Regards,

We have discussed extensively on this site over the years the impact a working E-Cat could have on the world. As Calle H mentions in his comment above, the E-Cat producing very cheap, clean energy would be a boon for producers and consumers, and an answer to the prayers of environmentalists the world over. But he also refers to powerful interests who would lose money and influence if current sources of energy are superseded.

For a long time, Rossi has repeatedly insisted that all energy sources could be integrated, but he hasn’t made that statement recently. Maybe because he thinks the E-Cat has improved to point where realistically it could realistically eclipse other power sources quite quickly.

Rossi has operated for many years largely ignored, I think partly because many people think he is either incompetent, delusional, or plain lying about the E-Cat. So long as the E-Cat stays in his lab, it is of little threat to the existing order. If his claims about the E-Cat are verified by credible outsiders, however, things will change dramatically, and I am sure he and those he is working with realize that.

If the E-Cat SKL is demonstrated to work very well, it could be considered such a threat to existing energy interests that they could try to find ways to snuff it out if it looks like it will compete in the marketplace. I think this is why Rossi is talking about preparing for war.

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Rossi Confirms Third Party Testing of E-Cat SKL in September

This could potentially be the one of the most important developments in the E-Cat story to date: Andrea Rossi has confirmed an a response to a question from Bill Conley that third party testing will be taking place in September.

Bill Conley
August 28, 2020 at 10:53 AM
Hope things continue to go well with SKL R&D and preparations for 3rd Party tests and subsequent presentation.

A few questions to update eCat status if you would be so kind:
1) Are the SKL-95 initial test results holding up in your current testing?
2) Are you now attempting to push beyond 95% electric output?
3) Will the reduction in thermal output of the SKL-95 allow a reduced size & complexity of the SKL cooling system?
4) Will the SKL-95 be the eCat provided for 3rd party testing?
5) Are the 3rd Party test plans still on track for September?

As always thanks for your openness and your great work.


Andrea Rossi
August 28, 2020 at 12:43 PM
Bill Conley:
1- What is the SKL 95 ?
2- yes
3- see 1; if “SKL 95” means the SKL with 95% of electricity, the answers are yes to question 1 and 3
4- confidential
5- yes
Thank you for your sustain,
Warm Regards,

I had previously asked the same question, but Rossi was non-committal sayin that it did not depend on him, but it now appears that third party testing has been arranged and scheduled. This is important for the fact that many people don’t believe Rossi when he says he has done something, and Rossi has been famously secretive about his work, keeping his dealings with collaborators under strict NDAs, and rarely releasing evidence to support his amazing claims.

So letting a third party come and test the E-Cat SKL will be an important step for verifying Rossi’s claims, providing they eventually release their claims publicly.

I think we need to remember that Rossi has not said how long the third party testing will take, so I think we will probably not see any report during September. Hopefully we might learn about some of the results this year, though.

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Rossi Still Hoping for E-Cat SKL Revelations This Year.

We must realize by now that Andrea Rossi will probably never stop trying to improve his E-Cat so long as he is able to work. Following his recent holiday, Rossi announced on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he had some ideas on how to improve the electrical efficiency of the E-Cat SKL, with the hope that it could produce 95 per cent electricity and 5 percent heat, which is an improvement on the apparent 80/20 percent electricity to heat ratio he had been getting.

The big question that everyone asks is when does he stop doing R&D and move into production mode. I don’t think we have the answer to that question yet. Knowing Rossi, he will want to put the best possible version of the E-Cat into production. Still, he has stated that he hopes that there will be a presentation and further information about the E-Cat yet this year. Here is a Q&A from the JONP from yesterday.

Bill Conley
August 25, 2020 at 3:19 PM

It was wonderful to see the confidence expressed in your response to CC about SKL photos and descriptions being made available later this year. A couple of questions about that:

1) When do you anticipate the SKL information will become available?
a) Before 3rd party tests
b) During 3rd party tests
c) After 3rd party tests
d) At the presentation
e) After the presentation

2) What SKL information do you think we will see:
a) SKL photos (reactor, cooling system, controller)?
b) Videos of SKL in operation (during testing)?
c) High-level schematics (e.g. drawings w/ dimensions, etc. not to include IP data)?
d) Specifications (including electrical specs and thermal output)?
e) Test results?

Thanks as always for your answers. This is getting exciting.


Rossi’s response:

Andrea Rossi
August 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM
Bill Conley:
1- I hope within this year
2- a,b,d,e
Warm Regards,

The only item that Rossi isn’t likely to release are detailed schematics of his device, which is not too surprising, knowing his protective nature concerning IP.

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Georgia Tech Research Scientist: LENR Research is ‘Serious Scientific Work’

Thanks to Teppo for pointing out a new article posted on the Medium website titled ‘“Cold Fusion” may not be fusion: Low Energy Nuclear Reaction research continues on the fringes’ written by Tim Anderson who is Principal Research Scientist at Georgia Tech (in Atlanta, Georgia, USA).

Anderson takes the phenomenon of LENR seriously and acknowledges that since the early days of Pons and Fleischmann, ‘hundreds’ of experiments have shown the production of excess heat, and ‘dozens’ have produced transmutation of elements and production of tritium.

He pays particular attention to the experiments done at the US Space and Naval Warfare Center (SPAWAR) in which researchers discovered neutron production in a deuterium/palladium electrolysis experiment.

He seems to be convinced that LENR is a field worth exploring, which is quite refreshing to hear from a research scientist at a public institution. His article concludes with this:

“In conclusion, as with the early attempts to achieve powered flight, we must both understand the mechanics and be able to produce a reliable technology to exploit it for the common good. Even then, there is a lot we don’t know. What is clear is that the work being done is serious scientific work, even if it operates on the fringes of acceptable scientific research.”

Brilliant Light Power Claims Power Gain of 10+

Thanks to MorganMck for the following post regarding news recently posted on the Brilliant Light Power website:


We are engineering commercial thermal and electrical power sources wherein the SunCell® operates at high-temperature capable of providing 1000°C liquid gallium to a liquid-gallium-to-air heat exchanger to generate high temperature air for thermal loads and also power a Brayton cycle turbine to generate electrical power. We successfully tested an upgraded system to supply a more ideal hydrino reaction mixture that has pushed our gain to over ten times the input power at greater than 250 kW excess power and a corresponding power density of over 5 MW/liter. The results of these trials demonstrate the utility of SunCell® towards the goal of a commercial heater of several hundred kilowatts to service the greater than $8T/y thermal market and enable the integration of the heat exchanger into a Brayton cycle to produce electricity to service the electrical market. More details on commercial engineering of the molten metal heat exchanger, the gas turbine power system and also magnetohydrodynamic power conversion are given in our

Business Overview Presentation PDF.

They also linked a new video of an operating SunCell here:

Its not clear the the reactor in this video is under control and is only shown running for a about 60 seconds..

It appears Mills has put his MHD and CPV approaches to generating SunCell electricity on the back burner (at least for now), opting to pursue the thermal-based SunCell with attached Brayton cycle turbine (40% efficient). Perhaps he is feeling the heat (pun intended) from Rossi’s latest SKL announcement.

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NASA: Lattice Confined Nuclear Fusion

Thanks to Greg Goble for sending the following post:

NASA posted an important improved version of the Lattice Confinement Fusion web page. It can be accessed now and includes two new videos. I’ve included an interesting attendant IEEE Spectrum
article; whose growing comment section is worthwhile for your readers to tune-in to, too.

New – ‘Lattice Confinement Fusion’ Website (at NASA)


‘The GRC Team’s LCF Journey’

‘Nuclear Fusion Reactions in Deuterated Metals’


‘NASA Detects Lattice Confinement Fusion’

‘Novel Nuclear Reactions Observed in Bremsstrahlung-Irradiated Deuterated Metals’ NASA/TP-20205001616

‘Nuclear Fusion Reactions in Deuterated Metals’ NASA/TP-20205001617

IEEE Spectrum article 05 Aug 2020

“Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion” By Michael Koziol
-nuclear fusion tokamak not included- (note that it’s in the URL)

Its google snippet is interesting as well:

“NASA researchers demonstrate the ability to fuse atoms inside room-temperature metals. … In fact, all they needed was a bit of metal, some hydrogen, and an electron accelerator. The team believes that their method, called lattice confinement fusion, could be a potential new power source for deep space missions. Aug 5, 2020”

Paper: “Progress Toward an Understanding of LENR-AHE Effects in Coated Constantan Wires in D2 Atmosphere: DC/AC Voltage Stimulation” (Celani/Vassallo)

Thanks to a reader for alerting me to a paper that was published last month on ResearchGate:


Title: “Progress Toward an Understanding of LENR-AHE Effects in Coated Constantan Wires in D2 Atmosphere: DC/AC Voltage Stimulation”

Authors: Francesco Celani, Georgio Vassallo


This paper presents a summary and some deeper details about the experiments presented at the 22nd International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF22). It reports on the experimental study of LENR phenomena in Constantan (Cu55 Ni44 Mn1) from its inception in 2011 to the most recent experiments. Using an empirical approach we identified the effect of surface modification of the Constantan wires with coatings comprised of elements that enhance the absorption behavior, and oxides with low work function for electron emission. We also explored certain geometrical arrangements of the wires such as knots and coils in order to induce local thermal gradients and predictable hot-spots. Moreover, the DC polarization of the wires by a counter-electrode proved to be a versatile approach to induce non-equilibrium conditions that are essential for Anomalous Heat Effects (AHE), especially when a dielectric barrier discharge (DBD) is produced. From the review of experiments summarized in this article, we obtain indications that the main parameter controlling the AHE is the flux of reactive species through the surface of the loaded material. As a consequence, all other external conditions of the reactor core (voltage-current, temperature, pressure, electric field stimulations, DC and/or AC external fields), can be seen as co-factors that enable a flux of active species through surfaces and in the bulk of the materials. Although most of the tests are in agreement with a possible flux model, some results still lack an interpretation, probably due to limits of the experimental setup.

From the Conclusion section of the paper:

From the collected data the following conclusions can be drawn.

(a) The AHE occurrence is correlated with fast loading or unloading of the wire. In the case of unloading however, after a short time, the AHE vanishes.
(b) When loading/unloading occurs slowly, AHE is significantly reduced.
(c) A state of oscillation seems to be the most efficient since it produces AHE for a longer time with respect to fast loading or unloading (especially when a dielectric barrier discharge occurs).
(d) Loading and unloading occurrence, as assumed from R/R0 and variation in reactor pressure, strongly supportthe key role of deuterium flux (see [14] for a definition of flux).

There are additional external conditions, such as high temperature, low pressure, purity of the gas that facilitate the AHE

Mizuno Posts Experimental Data

Thanks to LION for pointing out that on LENR-Forum, Tadahiko Mizuno has joined in the comments and posted some interesting graphics. The link to the thread is here:

Mizuno writes: “. This is the only data I can publish now, but let’s make a detailed announcement after applying for a patent. The CF phenomenon is absolutely true. It can be controlled very easy. However, the mechanism is still unknown. When the data comes out, an excellent researcher will give an answer. There is still much to study. Let’s do our best. Don’t lose to Corona. Believe in the future and advance.”

His graphics can be seen here:

A couple show experimental data, one with an ‘activated reactant’ and one without:



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More from Rossi on the Physics Behind the E-Cat

How does Andrea Rossi achieve a claimed self-sustaining 5 kW of power (4 kW electricity and 1 kW of heat) from a cube 20 x 20 x 20 cm (most of which he says comprises a passive cooling system) from a miniscule amount of fuel when almost all physicists would say it is impossible?

In previous comments regarding the mechanism behind the E-Cat, Rossi has talked about zero point gravity, Aharonov-Bohm effect, the Casimir effect and zitterbewegung (German for “jittery motion”). In the commment below, posted yesterday on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, he proposes a possible theoretical explanation:

Andrea Rossi
August 5, 2020 at 3:34 AM
In the cited reference 14 is proposed a “fundamental connection” between Aharonov-Bohm equations and an electron, based on a geomatric interpretation of the electron wave-function phase.
This approach suggests me that it is possible to create electron condensates exploiting the Aharonov-Bohm effect, caused by the dependence of the electron wave-function phase from electromagnrtic potentials, so that a voltage pulse with a due rise time may generate a variation of the Zitterbewegung of the electrons, an increase of the Aharonov-Bohm effect and the formation of clusters of electrons in coherence of phase, generating lower entropy and a consequent decrease of thermal capacity and freedom degrees, with energy transfer to electrons not in phase.
This is my opinion. It may be wrong, but the Ecat experiment may suggest it could be correct. This also could explain the absence of ionizing radiations and the energy gain.
Warm Regards,
See carefully the references 14, 7,9,2 on

Today he added this comment in response to a question about whether the environment allows for the production of resonances.

Andrea Rossi
August 6, 2020 at 2:39 AM
Those electrons configurations can generate, in presence of protons, compact neutral aggregates at a scale of 10^-12 m, between the atomic size and the nuclear size, made by a coherent chain of bosonic electrons with protons located in the center of the ZBV orbits. A criticalthreshold of the density of electrons is important for such a phenomenon and depends on the temperature of the cathod.
In this kind of environment the creation-annihilation of virtual particles is possible.
Warm Regards,

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