Rossi: Third Party Testers are “Clients”

Here are some interesting questions from Gerard McEk on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday, and Andrea Rossi’s responses:
Gerard McEk

Dear Andrea,
If I understand it right, there are two parties testing the E-Cat SKL.

AR: There are more than two parties examining the SKL.

Some questions about that, if I may:
1. Does each party have a separate E-cat for testing?
AR: no

2. Is/Are this/both E-cat(s) at your lab?
AR: yes

3. Have both parties started testing?
AR: some has

4. You said there is an ‘independent third party’ test entity, that is not payed by you. What makes them testing it anyway:
A. Payed by another party
B. Because they are curious
C. Some other reason
AR: C (Clients)

5. Are these 3rd party tests be done by a company specialized in this and doing this?
AR: obviously

6. Will the test/certification results be presented at the same time when both parties are finished or are they be presented separately?
AR:  the certifications will be presented when the product will be for sale, the tests are under NDA, eventually it will depend on the situations

7. What is roughly the current estimate when both are finished?
AR: with the corona virus restrictions nobody can schedule anything

Thank you for answering our questions.
Kind regards, all the best and good health, Gerard

Andrea Rossi had said in another recent comment that product certification and third party testing were two completely different things:

Andrea Rossi
March 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM
Frank Acland:
The two things are completely independent from each other.
The certification entity is paid by us to make the product certification, while the independent third party is not paid by us.

The most interesting thing to me here is that Rossi states the third party testing is being paid for and carried out by “clients”, which implies that they are potential future customers who feel they need to know for sure whether the E-Cat is the real deal by putting it to the test.

Also, true to form, Rossi is not sending E-Cats out for testing, as always they stay in his possession, under his control.

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Rossi: Working With Third Party on Skype During Coronavirus Restrictions

We don’t know who the third party E-Cat SKL testers are yet, but Andrea Rossi has stated on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he has been interacting with them over Skype during this period of disruption due to the coronavirus outbreak. I tried to get a little better picture of what has been going on by asking Rossi some questions:

Frank Acland
March 26, 2020 at 2:53 AM
Dear Andrea,

1. Do I understand correctly that you are interacting with third party testers via Skype?
2. Are you running tests on the E-Cat SKL in your lab that they are able to observe?
3. Are they compiling data about their observations?
4. When they are able, will they visit your lab, or will you go to them?
5. Will a report be written about this Skype testing, or is it more informal?

Thank you, and best wishes,

Frank Acland

Andrea Rossi
March 26, 2020 at 5:36 AM
Frank Acland:
1 yes
2 yes
3 yes
4 both
5 it is more informal, for obvious reasons
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So obviously this is not the ideal situation, nor could this be considered third party testing. A true third party test would require the testers to have hands-on contact with the E-Cat and be able to run their own experiments. But it sounds like Rossi is trying to do something to move his project along, and like most meetings these days it has to be done remotely.

I asked Rossi yesterday how productive and useful this Skype activity has been, he replied: “Very much, in preparation of the real stuff.”

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Rossi: E-Cat Testing Affected by Coronavirus, Doing “Something in Skype”

The onset of the COVID-19 pandemic seems to have perfectly coincided with Andrea Rossi’s plans for third party testing of the E-Cat SKL, which I am sure has been a frustrating situation for Rossi and his team to be in. He had said that there was a firm date for testing to start in the second half of March, but it’s hard to imagine that things could go on without interruption in the current environment.

I asked him about this today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Frank Acland
March 20, 2020 at 4:50 PM
Dear Andrea,

Has the third party testing of the E-Cat SKL has started yet?

If not, has it been delayed by the CV?

His reply:

Andrea Rossi
March 21, 2020 at 4:43 AM
Frank Acland:
The C.V. obviously is limiting the tests. I will give information about the tests when they will have been terminated. We can do something by Skype in this moment, waiting for the end of this sanitary tsunami
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It’s hard to imagine how one can carry out a third party test over Skype. Perhaps they are having some kind of videoconferencing with the testers, but it would seem that they will have to just wait for more favorable conditions in order to carry out the planned testing.

In another comment, Andrea Rossi wanted to make something very clear in response to a question about using the E-Cat to fight the coronavirus:

Andrea Rossi
March 21, 2020 at 6:02 AM
Khashayar Shatti:
I REPEAT: THE ECAT IS NOT A DEVICE THAT CAN HELP IN ANY WAY THE FIGHT ON COURSE AGAINST THE CORONA VIRUS.
PLEASE STOP THIS FAKE INFORMATION, THAT CAN ONLY MAKE CONFUSION AND DISTRACT FROM THE SOLE IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS, THAT ARE THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN FROM THE PHYSICIANS AND THE GOVERNMENTS.
DR ANDREA ROSSI,
CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION

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Rossi: E-Cat SKL has Improved over Early Model

Andrea Rossi has mentioned recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he has been able to make further improvements on the E-Cat SKL. Today he provided a little more information about the nature of the improvements. So apparently the power density has been improved, along with amount of electricity generated.

Frank Acland
March 18, 2020 at 9:48 AM
Dear Andrea,

1. Do I understand correctly that the E-Cat SKL is smaller than when you announced it was a 10 cm cube?
2. If it is smaller, is the power output the same as in previous versions?
3. Has the ratio of electricity to heat produced increased over recent weeks?

Andrea Rossi
March 18, 2020 at 11:47 AM
Frank Acland:
1- yes
2- yes
3- yes, the heat is less in percentage
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Another question was asked about how he could carry on his work during the coronavirus restrictions:

Giuseppe Mantegazza
March 18, 2020 at 11:47 AM
Dr Rossi,
I suppose that wherever you are in Europe in this period you are confined in house for the corona virus:
1- how can you work ?

Andrea Rossi
March 18, 2020 at 12:08 PM
Giuseppe Mantegazza:
1- Yes, also here the movements have been limited, but I have my laboratory adjacent to where I stay, so I work full time also with my collaborators in full respect of the given rules

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Rossi: ‘Well Developed’ Business Plan Prepared With Deloitte

Today I asked a question about the status of Leonardo Corporation’s business plan.

Frank Acland
March 14, 2020 at 8:42 AM
Dear Andrea,

How well-developed is your business plan at this point?

Andrea Rossi
March 14, 2020 at 9:33 AM
Frank Acland:
Our business plan is well developed, prepared well together with Deloitte and foresees differenrt scenarios depending on the allegaices.

Thank you for your kind attention to our work,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It’s interesting that he mentions Deloitte here. Deloitte is a well-known multinational company that offers business services to clients around the world. Here is a description from Wikipedia:

Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited /dəˈlɔɪt ˈtuːʃ toʊˈmɑːtsuː/, commonly referred to as Deloitte, is a multinational professional services network. Deloitte is one of the “Big Four” accounting organizations and the largest professional services network in the world by revenue and number of professionals with headquarters in London, United Kingdom.

Deloitte provides audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services with approximately 312,000 professionals globally. In FY 2019, the network earned a record US$46.2 billion in aggregate revenues. As of 2017, Deloitte is the 4th largest privately owned company in the United States. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte)

One would expect that Leonardo and any partners he is working with would be thinking big if they are using Deloitte’s consulting services. Deloitte would be up to speed on all the current business practices involved in launching new new technology like the E-Cat into the marketplace, and would be aware of some of the pitfalls and obstacles that might be faced.

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Can the E-Cat Survive Andrea Rossi? Rossi Says Yes

This is a question that has come up here on ECW in recent days, and someone has posted a question about it on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today — what happens to the E-Cat if he is no longer around?

Andrea Rossi has dealt with this question in the past and given similar responses, but I guess with the world now dealing with a new rapidly spreading disease, and Rossi in Europe, people are going to be wondering about it now more than ever.

Rossi claims to have invented a version of his E-Cat, the E-Cat SKL, that can create electricity with tiny amounts of fuel, with no power input required. He says he is on the cusp of carrying out third party testing and making a public presentation of it, just at the time when COVID-19 is on the march in Europe, where he says he is now working.

I have no doubt that Rossi is taking strong precautions to make sure he personally is protected from this virus, but he almost 70 years old, and mortal like the rest of us. Sooner or later he will pass away, and it would be a shame if the E-Cat died with him.

Here is the question and answer from the JONP:

Paul di Anno
March 12, 2020 at 6:40 AM
Hello Dr. Rossi,I wanted to ask you, is there anyone else, besides you who fully knows how the ecat works? in the unfortunate case of health problems, will there be anyone who can carry on your work? I wish you a lot of health, but in life you have to be careful, especially in this period. I hope that the presentation and all your work will soon be very successful. good luck !

Andrea Rossi
March 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM
Paul di Anno:
Yes, all has been organized in a way that in case of my death the work will go on all the same.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

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E-Cat Testing and Coronavirus

Some questions have been posted on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the impact of the coronavirus on Andrea Rossi’s announced third party testing and eventual public demonstration of the E-Cat SKL.

Rossi stated recently that the testing would be taking place in Europe, although he did not specify which country. Today when asked by reader Drew G. about transporting the SKL to Europe from the USA, Rossi replied, “I am in Europe already”.

Gerard McEk asked how long the third party testing would take, and Rossi replied, “I don’t even know, it will depend from many factors. The past developments about the Corona virus getting pandemic will not help.”

Steven Karels asked about whether travel restrictions would affect the demonstration. Rossi responded, “1 if the corona virus will force restrictions, the demonstration will be made on streaming. Obviously we will respect all the rules on the matter”.

Italy is in now in a mandatory lock-down situation to keep the virus from spreading rapidly, so if Rossi is in Italy, it would have a significant impact on his ability to operate smoothly. However, it’s quite possible that other countries could put in place similar restrictions, so overall the prospect of the coronavirus impacting the testing and presentation of the E-Cat SKL is quite high.

 

 

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Rossi: ‘Protocols Preparation’ for Third Party E-Cat SKL Tests Underway

I asked Andrea Rossi today about the status of the third party testing of the E-Cat SKL that he has been saying is ‘close’.

Frank Acland
March 6, 2020 at 12:56 PM
Dear Andrea,

Are the third party tests taking place yet?

Andrea Rossi
March 6, 2020 at 1:13 PM
Frank Acland:
The protocols preparation yes. The actual tests will start in the second half of this month
Warm Regards,
A.R.

In a separate question, Sam asked Rossi where the testing will be taking place, and he said, ‘Europe’

If the protocols preparation is underway, I would think that there would be at least some of the testing team on site at the moment. As far as how long the testing period will be, Rossi commented recently that it could be from several weeks, to several months, depending on whether there were any problems with the E-Cats. He has said recently that they have been operating well, so hopefully it won’t take many months.

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Rossi: “Almost” Ready for Third Party Testing

Here is a Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today which gives an update about the current status of the E-Cat SKL testing.

Milan
February 24, 2020 at 1:42 PM
Dear Dr. Rossi!
Good that you returned optimist.

If I may ask:
1. Do you think the Ecat SKL is now ready for third party testing?
2. Have you fixed a date for the beginning of third party tests?
3. Are the third party test already running?

Best,
Milan

Andrea Rossi
February 24, 2020 at 3:30 PM
Milan:
1- almost
2- yes
3- no
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I think that this exchange confirms that the reliability problems with the E-Cat SKL that Rossi had previously reported forced them to put on hold the third party testing that was originally scheduled to begin in January. Until now Rossi has not confirmed or denied that third party testing had started, only that it was expected to conclude in March.

We won’t see any presentation until the third party testing is over, so I would expect that we are now looking at an April presentation at the earliest.

In another comment, Rossi told JONP reader KeithT that it was “not necessary” to wait for further patents to be awarded before a commercial roll out of the E-Cat SKL, because as he stated, “our IP is well protected”.

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Rossi on ‘Risks’ of Open Source

A reader (‘Physics Fan’)on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today suggested, as others have done in the past, that Andrea Rossi share everything he knows about his E-Cat technology rather than keeping secrets. Physics Fan believed Rossi would easily win a Nobel prize if he were to do this, and asked “Are you in it for money or for the science? If you are in it for the science, your approach “sucks”, to be brutally honest”.

Rossi made this response:

Andrea Rossi
February 22, 2020 at 5:05 AM
Physics Fan:
Thank you for your opinion.
I want this technology developed by important concerns and nobody would put money without an intellectual property. Also medicines are essential for surviving any kind of illness, but without intellectual property most of medicines would not have been invented and developed and would not be invented and developed.
Your amateurish approach does not help real and necessary investments from serious professionals, if we want really to have a worldwide diffusion of this technology.
Not to mention the risks that an open source would generate and that every intelligent person can imagine.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi has always stated that he does not believe serious investment in the E-Cat would take place if all its secrets were made public. But here, in addition to that argument, Rossi bring up the issue of ‘risks that an open source would generate’, which I am not sure he is referring to (of course admitting that I might not be an intelligent person!)

In other comments, Rossi stated today that the E-Cat SKL is now operating ‘very well’. Gerard McEk asked Rossi if that meant that there would be a presentation in March. He replied, “premature, but I am sure we will make a presentation, soon.”

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