Rossi: Weak Force not Behind LENR

Andrea Rossi doesn’t say too much about how he thinks the E-Cat works, although he reports that he continues to work with Carl-Oscar Gullstrom, and they are planning experiments to test some of the theories they contemplating.

Rossi was asked on the Journal of Nuclear Physics this week if he thought the Weak Force played a role in LENR.

Some researchers have theorized that weak interactions play a role in LENR phenomona. For example Srivastava, Widom and Larsen in this paper write “electromagnetic and weak interactions can induce low energy nuclear reactions to occur with observable rates for a variety of processes.” NASA researcher Joseph Zawodny also suggested here that LENR used weak forces.

However, Rossi disagrees. His reply to the question was: “No, because weak forces would emit much stronger radiations.”

So what does he think is going on? He still has not stated that he has a definitive theory, but that he is continuing work in this area with Gullstrom who at the November 2017 E-Cat gave a presentation on his current thinking on the subject. He theorized that there was a “new special potential of the strong force that is not found (common) in nature.”

He also highlighted one area that he and Rossi have been focusing on. He wrote:

“I and Rossi are making the hypothesis of the possibility that the temperatures of the plasma can reach the mass of a new particle/waves in fields that could annihilate without emitting high energy radiations because of the low energy.”

Rossi commented later on this saying

“Because since we start from particles that have a very low mass, because at 2600 Kelvin we have a mass between 1 electron volt- 1.4 electron volt. So we should have in this field, let us compare it to an ocean, we have crests of small waves and anti-waves that are resonances, they are not actually elementary particles, they are resonances in a field that disappear after, say 10 to the minus 23 seconds, they are not particles, they are resonances.

“But these resonances could through the annihilation between these virtual particles and anti-particles could produce energy that is not enough to generate strong ionizing radiations because they are not big waves, they are just small waves. And this could explain why we have heat in this measure that is not the measure of a full nuclear reaction, but we do not have strong radiations”

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The E-Cat and Food Industry — Rossi Says Partnering with ‘US Global Company’

In comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics over the last couple of days, Andrea Rossi seems to have confirmed that his first partner is in the food industry.

Here are some questions and answers on the subjects:

April 8, 2018 at 4:36 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
I think that the food industry is the one that mostly can take advantage of your technology, what do you think?

Andrea Rossi
April 8, 2018 at 8:06 AM
Yes, I think that the food industry will be among the most reactive , at least initially.
Warm Regards,

Frank Acland
April 9, 2018 at 9:41 PM
Dear Andrea,

I was interested your comment about the food industry being reactive to the E-Cat. It is a huge market that uses massive amounts of heat. Think of all the baking, boiling, heating, steaming, sterilizing, etc. that takes place in all kinds of food and drink processing plants.

Here is one example, a Frito Lay factory for making potato chips:

Interesting they use co-generation in their plants — their natural gas powered deep fryers also generate electricity so the whole plant is off grid.

What do you think about applying the heat of the E-Cat for plants like this?

Andrea Rossi
April 9, 2018 at 9:49 PM
Frank Acland:
I think there will be important developments in the food industry sector related to the Ecat. Their strong need of heat to process their products makes them the ideal match for the Ecat. So the Ecat will say, like a poet: ” M’illumino di mensa”.
Warm Regards,

Elliott Wilcher
April 10, 2018 at 3:45 AM
Dr Rossi:
It is clear after your answers of yesterday that you are partnering with an important company in the food business. Can you say where is it located?

Andrea Rossi
April 10, 2018 at 6:42 AM
Elliott Wilcher:
It is a US global company.
Warm Regards,

The food and drinks industry would seem to me to be a very good industry in which to deploy the E-Cat since so much energy is required to provide the massive amounts of heat that is required for all the baking, pasteurizing, boiling, steaming, sterilizing, drying, etc. that takes place in different types of food processing.

Rossi states above that he is partnering with a US global company, of which there are plenty within the food sector. If you are a food producer you are naturally going to want to cut your overhead costs, of which energy for heating is probably one of the most significant. I found it interesting in the video I linked mentioned above, that the Frito Lay plant in Killingly, Connecticut their deep fryers are powered by natural gas in a co-generation system which also provides all the electricity that the factory needs. If a food plant like this was on board with the E-Cat, I am sure they would be working to employ the E-Cat to provide not only their heat, but electricity also.

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The Size of the First 1 kW E-Cat Product

It seems that Andrea Rossi has settled on the size of the first industrial E-Cat product.

He has stated recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that its power rating will be 1 kW. In response to a question by Dr. Mike, he also said that thirteen 80 W E-Cat QX reactors will be contained in what he calls a “module.”

Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, in response to a question on the size of this 1 kW E-Cat QX module, Rossi replied:

Andrea Rossi
April 4, 2018 at 8:08 AM
Jacinto Elerick:
cm 25 x 25 x 18 all included.
Warm Regards,

So it seems that in terms of creating E-Cat power plants, the plan now is that the 1 kW module will be the building blocks out of which the industrial plants are constructed.

As far as recharging the E-Cat modules, I asked Rossi this question:

Frank Acland
April 4, 2018 at 8:44 AM
Dear Andrea,

When the 1 kW E-Cat modules need recharging, will you replace the QX reactors inside the box, or will you simply replace the box?

Andrea Rossi
April 4, 2018 at 9:15 AM
Frank Acland:
We will change the box.
Warm Regards,

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Rossi: 40 Percent of the Way to Industrialization

Many of us wonder how things are progressing in Andrea Rossi’s stated goal to start production of his E-Cat plants this year. As is typical, we get very few details of what is going on behind the scenes at Leonardo Corp., but once in a while Rossi gives a bit of a status update. Today on the the Journal of Nuclear Physics was this exchange:

March 26, 2018 at 8:14 PM
Can you give us an idea, after the first quarter of 2018, what is the percentage of accomplishments of:
1- perfection of the module to industrialize
2- industrialization system

Andrea Rossi
March 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM
1- 40%
2- 40%
Warm Regards,

I had asked Rossi earlier what were the main tasks that needed to be accomplished before industrialization could start, and he responded:

Andrea Rossi
March 26, 2018 at 1:45 PM
Frank Acland:
I prefer not to enter in these particulars, but what is troubling us more is the definition of all the particulars of the modules before a bulk production: if you make an error in this issue you get the errors in all the modules, with the consequences you can imagine.
But many other issues remain and I want not to disclose them.
Warm Regards,

If you are going to produce anything automatically, you obviously have to get the automation procedures just right, or you will mass produce faulty products, which would be disastrous. The 40 per cent figure is clearly just a ball park estimate, getting to 100 per cent this year still seems very optimistic to me as I imagine there are all kinds of things that could delay things. Unforseen circumstances lead to even the most sophisticated and experienced companies pushing back product launch dates, so it would not be at all surprising to see that happen in this case.

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SRI Independently Verifies Brillouin LENR Reactions (Brillouin Energy Press Release)

The following press release has been published on the Brillouin Energy Website here:

Increased COPs, Increased Power Output, Increased LENR Heat, Better Calorimetry, More Extensive Testing

BERKELEY, CA, March 13th,2018–Researchers at SRI International ( have issued a Technical Progress Report covering their review and independent validation of Brillouin Energy’s on-going testing and scaling efforts of its most advanced Isoperibolic (“IPB”) Hydrogen Hot Tube™ (HHT™) component prototypes, which generate controlled Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (“LENR”).

In their 2017 Report, SRI’s researchers confirmed that they have continued to successfully replicate“over-unity” amounts of thermal energy (heat) in Brillouin Energy’s IPB HHTs, now at materially greater output levels than was seen in their prior replication efforts that were documented in their 2016 Report. SRI conducted extensive review and third-party tests of Brillouin Energy’s technology throughout 2017. This included review of considerable test data from Brillouin’s four individual IPB HHT™LENR reactor test systems, plus 34 different HHT™ reactor cores that were designed to increase scaling of power outputs and reactor control.Dr.Francis Tanzella was again the principal investigator assigned to SRI’s testing of Brillouin Energy’s LENR systems and conducted all of the third party validation work.

“Brillouin Energy has made real progress in defining the engineering pathway forward,and in demonstrating increased potential to scale total power production in its reactors. This is reflected in SRI’s 2017 Report as compared to SRI’s 2016 Report. Their growing list of technical achievements are leading to a number of resultst hat we have not seen before. Increased COP’s, increased repeatable excess power outputs, increased LENR heat, better calorimetry, and transportability of multiple reactor systems performing independently –it’s continuing to point to a potential breakthrough.” said Dr. Tanzella, Managerof the Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Program, Energy & Environment Center, SRI International.

“The results validated in the 2017 SRI Report are the strongest proof yet that Brillouin Energy is on the path to commercialization”, said David Firshein,Chief Financial Officer of Brillouin Energy. “The company has proven with increasing scientific evidence, which SRI has independently verified, that its reactor systems can produce actual LENR heat at lab scale,which is both controllable on demand and repeatable, in multiple reactor systems and components manufactured and run the same way.

Mr. Firshein added,“this is the second ProgressReport from SRI International that verified Brillouin Energy’s technical claims. The results validated in this year’s Report are up to three times greater than those validated in the previous year’s Report. The company’s current growth capital raise will fund the next stage of scaling heat outputs to industrially useful levels.”

The 2017 Technical Progress Report summarizes all of the data and conclusions from SRI International’s year-long validation test review of Brillouin Energy’s IPB HHT™LENR reactor systems. To view the 2017 Report, click here:

For further information about this News Release, please contact:
Grant Draper       +1-415-745-0254

About Brillouin Energy Corp.:

Brillouin Energy is a clean-technology company based in Berkeley, CA, which is developing an ultra-clean, low-cost, renewable energy technology that is capable of producing commercially useful amounts of thermal energy from LENR. Brillouin’s LENR technology includes a proprietary method of electrical stimulation of nickel metal conductors using its Q-Pulse™ control system. The process stimulates the system to produce LENR reactions, which generate excess heat.Other than the heat output, there are no (zero) toxic or CO2 bi-product emissions of any kind.

For further information about Brillouin Energy Corp., please contact:

David Firshein,      +1-415-419-6429

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MIT Goal: Fusion Demonstration Plant in 15 Years

A news release from MIT announces a collaborative research project between MIT and a private company, Commonwealth Fusion Systems with a goal to demonstrate a prototype fusion reactor within 15 years.

Some excerpts from the release:

“CFS will join with MIT to carry out rapid, staged research leading to a new generation of fusion experiments and power plants based on advances in high-temperature superconductors — work made possible by decades of federal government funding for basic research.

“CFS is announcing today that it has attracted an investment of $50 million in support of this effort from the Italian energy company Eni . . .

“The new effort aims to build a compact device capable of generating 100 million watts, or 100 megawatts (MW), of fusion power. This device will, if all goes according to plan, demonstrate key technical milestones needed to ultimately achieve a full-scale prototype of a fusion power plant that could set the world on a path to low-carbon energy . . .

“SPARC is designed to produce about 100 MW of heat. While it will not turn that heat into electricity, it will produce, in pulses of about 10 seconds, as much power as is used by a small city. That output would be more than twice the power used to heat the plasma, achieving the ultimate technical milestone: positive net energy from fusion.”

So it looks like MIT is seeing an opportunity to move fusion forward faster than the other projects such as ITER and US National Ignition Facility which are notoriously slow in reaching their goals. There are other private companies like Lockheed Martin, Tri Alpha Energy, Helion Energy and General Fusion which are trying to speed up commercialization of fusion.

Still, if Andrea Rossi can actually break through into the commercial space with a much cheaper, more efficient commercial energy solution, we might find more research efforts moving into the LENR arena.

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Anti-Reverse Engineering System ‘Has Revolutionized’ Rossi’s Commercial Strategy

I think that Andrea Rossi’s announcement that he has what he considers to be a system to make reverse engineering ‘practically impossible’ (he qualified it a bit from ‘impossible’) is highly significant. Rossi stated today that this breakthrough “has revolutionized our commercial strategy.”

The way I see it is if Rossi’s fear of having his technology copied is diminished, then he is going to be less protective and restrictive in the distribution of E-Cats, and reduce the need for putting security systems in place that would consume time and expense.

I asked a few more questions about the issue today:

Frank Acland
March 6, 2018 at 7:44 AM
Dear Andrea,

1. Will the new anti-reverse engineering system change your estimated production timeline?
2. Will it make E-Cats more expensive?
3. Will it make E-Cats more dangerous?
4. Will it make E-Cat dissemination faster?
5. Will it mean that plant owners will be able to change their own e-cats (like we replace printer cartridges for example)?

Andrea Rossi
March 6, 2018 at 8:16 AM
Frank Acland:
1- No
2- No
3- No
4- Probably yes
5- Yes
Warm Regards,

Regarding my question 5 above, just a few weeks ago Rossi stated that the refueling of E-Cats would have to be done by authorized technicians. So now it sounds like people could order their replacement E-Cat modules like they would order batteries, fuel canisters, light bulbs, etc., and install them themselves which would simplify things greatly and certainly be less expensive in terms of labor costs. If the E-Cat really did become used widely Rossi would have had to build a huge network of certified technicians, the costs of which would have ultimately been borne by the customer, and passed on to the end user of energy.

If the E-Cat hits the market, I don’t doubt that people will try very hard to figure out exactly how it works. Rossi may ultimately be wrong in his estimation that reverse engineering will be impossible, but it sounds like he is comfortable enough with the system they have developed to take a risk on it.

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Recharging E-Cat Plants

One of the important things to remember about E-Cat plants is that they will need to be refueled on a regular basis. For whatever reason, after operating for a period of time (Rossi has said between 6 months and a year), the fuel loses its potency an needs to be replaced.

Andrea Rossi has made some comments about this recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Andrea Rossi
February 24, 2018 at 7:28 PM
Raffaele Bongo:
We will change the Ecats, not the fuel, in the Customers’ factories. The reactors will be changed by lots, to maintain the the production. The plants will have an excess of reactors corresponding to the lots quantum. The charge will be changed in our closer point of assistance and eventually recycled.
Warm Regards,

Frank Acland
February 24, 2018 at 10:02 PM

Dear Andrea,

Regarding the recharging:

1. Will a Leonardo Corp. employee always have to change the E-Cats, or will it be possible for operators to do so (like we change our printer cartridges when they are depleted)? AR: it will be possible for operators certified by us to do so

2. How long would a complete recharge of a 1MW plant take — (minutes, hours, days)? AR: several days

3. What do you expect to be the cost to refuel a 1 MW plant? AR: low enough

Refueling is going to be a very important aspect of the commercial E-Cat operation. From what Rossi states above I there will be fresh excess reactors already installed in E-Cat plants that can be put in operation while old ones are being changed out, thus no downtime will be experienced by plant users.

For Leonardo Corporation to maintain its trade secrets it is going to want to maintain as much control as possible over its E-Cats, both new and spent reactors. From what Rossi writes here, the recharging will be done by authorized, certified technicians who will presumably be under strict contract to not let E-Cats out of their hands. However, assuming that the E-Cat is a commercial success, if millions of new and spend E-Cats are being circulated, it would be virtually impossible not to let some fall into unauthorized hands, especially given the intense interest that there is bound to be if the technology is demonstrated to work as claimed. Leonardo is surely aware of this issue and that it won’t take long for its secrets to be detected by reverse engineers. Rossi has always stated that only mass production and economy of scale can protect him from the people wanting to copy his technology.

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Rossi: Magnetic Field Generated by E-Cat QX Plasma

It’s not too often that Andrea Rossi says much about technical aspects of his E-Cat reactors, but here is a little detail from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today.

John Scott
February 20, 2018 at 7:02 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi,
Do you use a magnetic field to protect the materials of the reactor from the high temperatures reached by the QX?
Thank you if you can answer,

Andrea Rossi
February 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM
John Scott:
I cannot answer in positive or in negative to this question, but it is true that around the plasma a magnetic field is generated
Warm Regards,

Rossi has said in the past that the QX produces electricity directly, so this could be connected with the magnetic filed mentioned. However a simple magnetic field of in and of itself does not produce an electric current, so there must be something else involved. As usual, we get very few details, but this might be something of interest to the replicators and theoreticians to think about.

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Estimating the Cost of an E-Cat Plant

I thought this was an interesting post by ECW reader Bruno who has attempted an estimate of the cost of a 1MW E-Cat QX industrial plant based on Andrea Rossi’s comment that the return on investment (ROI) would be less than two years.

With current US natural gas prices, the fuel cost is approximately $20/MW-hr for thermal energy (steam etc…). Dr. Rossi is talking about a 2 year ROI.

Let’s assume perfect 24/365 each year for two years, and no labor costs. If he plans to sell HEAT, but not the E-Cats themselves, to hit $20/MW-hr his capital cost would need to be $350,000 (fully installed). In reality, he’d need to offer a lower price than $20/MW-hr (let’s say $17), he’d probably need to take the E-Cats down a few days/year for maintetance (let’s assume 350 productive days/year), plus he might have part time labor costs associated with servicing the installation (let’s say $25,000/yr).

This means that the total installed cost for him would need to be on the order of $235,000 just to break even. I think that he needs to get LEONARDO’s capital cost somewhere below $150,000 (installed) to sell 1 MW of thermal energy profitably. So his cost per 1 MW E-Cat (uninstalled) will probably need to be on the order of $100,000. Of course, the capital cost could be higher if the payback period is stretched beyond 3 years.


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