Rossi Sells eCat

Rossi continues to surprise.

For some time, the inventor has been claiming he no longer has control over the strategic development of the eCat because he sold the rights to a company with deep pockets. He was obviously telling the truth. Industrial Heat LLC issued a press release confirming the acquisition and lending another layer of head-scratching credence to the eCat.

I remain sceptical for a number of reasons. However, I do not understand the absolute dismissal of this development any more than I understand the tendency by some to laugh at the Levi/Elforsk Report as a joke with no merit whatsoever. I agree without reservation that these things prove nothing and when we consider the fantastical nature of his claims, his propensity for embellishment or lies, his colorful past, the stream of overly-complicated demos and the money involved, it would be foolish to assume that this is the final piece of the jigsaw that will make everything whole. Scepticism is healthy and in the new energy arena, statistics are on your side if you assume that every new world-changing invention by a secretive businessman is covered in bullshit. You are more likely to be right than not but starting from the premise that Rossi is a fraud, working backwards and using this ‘fact’ to dismiss anyone saying anything positive about the subject is no more intelligent than believing everything you are told by a huckster.

Lets look at this objectively.

For all the reasons above, I’m not ready to jump ship to the believers’ camp. However, this Industrial Heat thing is interesting. I can easily see a group of businessmen getting the wool pulled over their eyes when they see dollar signs. In this case and at face value, these guys have a genuine interest in promoting green technologies that can make a difference and give a healthy return. It’s possible that they got ahead of themselves and failed to do due diligence but it is a leap to automatically assume that seasoned VCs – knowing the too-good-to-be-true nature of the beast – did not do their homework.

Out here, it is easy (and reasonable) for us to shake our heads at anything short of scientific validation but the list of people we have to assume as idiots or irrational just keeps getting longer and longer. Remember, these guys can read Rossi’s blog, too. They know what he is saying in public. He told us that his new partner built the eCat and tested it themselves. Let’s assume that’s bullshit. We have to then assume, they either didn’t see his comment, do not care about the lie or they have no argument with it. To some, the fact that IH’s press release makes no mention of this is a sign of… what exactly? It is quite reasonable to assume that they have not countered Rossi’s statement because there is truth in it. Be sceptical, yes, but let’s not start with assumptions and work backwards.

Solyndra, Madhoff, Steorn and thousands of other cautionary examples demonstrate the countless ways in which otherwise intelligent people can let themselves be fooled. For this and many other reasons, it’s always possible that IH has been tricked too. That said, it is one thing to recognise that possibility and another to start from the assumption and add the VCs to the burgeoning list of actors who do not know their arse from their elbow.

$11.5m is a droplet. Maybe they are just fishing. Maybe a lot of things. Beware though, of doing what you accuse believers of – twisting the order of logic to fit your conclusions.

I for one will be paying attention to what happens next.

Andrea Rossi NextMe eCat Q&A

The following Q&A is posted on Rossi’e blog. While I am wary of trying to figure out what we can take away from his numerous proclamations, I find his comments regarding the test conditions interesting. In various post-test author comments, it is evident that there were more checks undertaken than those published in the paper. Here, Rossi says that the testers performed various cautionary moves (such as providing their own cables) that I find reassuring. I have no reason to doubt this as – with so many authors involved - the statement would (I hope) be challenged by one or more of them.

Other comments of note include two further tests and an admition that things are not likely to speed up. As with all such postings, we must remind ourselves to treat them with caution. For some, that will mean dismissing them and for others, perhaps, provide another meta-data point for the Rossi enigmaCat.

 

  • Dear dr Rossi,
    we are interested to ask you a short interview. We leave here the questions. Thank you in advance for your readiness
    Kind regards
    Roberta De Carolis on behalf of NextMe.it

    The independent test results confirm the scientific validity of the Hot E-cat equipment. As it has been reported on the publication report, the performance has been verified successfully. But how could you explain the difference between the COP you stated in the past (11.6) and the results obtained on E-cat HT (5.6) and E-cat HT 2 (2.9)?

    Which are the main differences between E-cat HT and E-cat HT 2? Are you agree with the explanations provided by the researchers about the difference observed in the COP values?

    The tests are essentially  based on the measurement of the incoming and the outcoming energy, so they could not prove the reaction mechanism. Why should we be sure that this is a nuclear reaction?

    Hot E-cat is co-generation thermal-electric system, and you stated that production of electricity has been committed to Siemens AG, developing a suitable turbine to be coupled to the reactor. Could you confirm this collaboration?

    Do you believe that this important result could speed up the certification procedures for security? Could you estimate the timings?

    The delivery of three plants of 1 MW E-Cat in the U.S. is now official. However, in an earlier statement you mentioned customers, but now we came to know that they are industrial partners. Could you tell us if this delivery is just preliminary to the real one and when this will happen?

    We know that that a US client representative attended the test. Could you tell us whether he is the client buying the plant? Could you communicate to our readers the satisfaction degree expressed by him about the testing?

 

 

  • Andrea Rossi

    Redazione NextMe.it:
    1- COP depends from temperature and many other factors. The Examiners also considered all the margin of errors in the worst situation against us, to be conservative at maximum. They wanted to be sure beyond any possible and reasonable doubt. For example: they wanted a wood plan to put on all the electric and electronic devices, they wanted to use their own cables of their own measurement devices, they wanted to lift and seat themselves any conponent to be sure no other cables or any kind of contact was there…combining all the margin of error against us we lost a lot of efficiency, but it is fine, since the scope of the test was not commercial, it was merely scientific: the Professors wanted to know beyond any reasonable doubt if there was an excess of energy or not
    2- Yes, I substantially agree. The differences are described in the report
    3- Because of the 1st principle of thermodynamic. See also the Ragone diagram
    4- We are under NDA
    5- No, I do not see any nexus. The certification for the industrial plants has been granted, though
    6- We delivered to our US Partner. He will deliver to his Customers
    7- Wrong: the test of the Indoipendent Third Party, made in March, has nothing to do with the test made by the US Partner on April 30 and May 1. The test made by the Customer has made possible for us to continue to work for the Customer. It has been better than expected, we got results better that what we has guaranteed.
    Good Luck to your magazine!
    Andrea Rossi

 

Better Zurich eCat Video

If, like me, you struggled to hear the Zurich live feed over the weekend, you will thank Sterling Allan for the following videos. There are two but I will only embed one in fairness to Sterling and to encourage you to visit his site. Even though I watched the whole thing on both days, I found the quality of this version outshines that of the live stream and I caught some interesting detail here. It struck me how often Rossi mentioned that the hotcat tests are ongoing and unproven as yet. It may be projection on my part but, did he have something on his mind at the time in this regard? When asked why Magnus Holmes was not present, Rossi said that he was otherwise busy but was there in spirit (or words to that effect).

Some of the highlights are as follows. Please note that I often paraphrase and be warned that my interpretation may be wrong. If something is important to you, check for yourself (and correct me in comments if required). Lengthy as it is, I advise you to watch the complete thing if you have the time and inclination. At the end, Sterling does a paparazzi stalk on Rossi. This was entertaining and led to a surprise answer right at the end as the Italian was getting into his taxi (1.21.00).

Q from audience members and A from Rossi.

Q – Would AR please run a workshop to allow us to run the 10KW eCat for at least 10 days to help us convince customers and investors?

A – Not 10 days but we have already reports for three months and six months which we will release soon.

Q – What is the ratio of Ni to Cu conversion?

A – Although we get this happening we are no longer certain it is the main process but a side effect of the 10-100KeV Gammas that are emitted.

Q (40mins) – Is there any … for you to go ahead?

A – I am not strong and not intelligent – it is all down to God

Q (42.15) – Why is Magnus Holmes not here?

A – He had some important meetings in Stockholm and excuses himself. All his content was in my presentation. I am sure his heart was here.

Q (43.45) – When will 1MW certifications be granted?

A – Already have safety certs for industrial plants but not domestic. Industry is easier because they have procedures etc to ensure proper use and conformation to liabilities. But for domestic… someone drunk in house can cause problems… Will be long time with good stats in industry before get safety certs for domestic.

Q – (46.05) When gas eCat safety certs

A – It should be no problem…

Q – (49.00) Any future problem with nuclear authorities regarding safety certs?

A – No. We got the safety cert because we could give guarantees that we do not use radioactive materials, produce radiative materials and no radiation is emitted outside the device during operation. Yes, we produce radiations to make heat but also microwave ovens do this. Laws already exist for their regulation and the microwave radiations are in the same range as ours. .. blah, blah, phones etc. Cert says we do not use radioactive materials or produce then…etc. Therefore they enter into the same category as the devices in your house, your pocket etc… think television – to have command of television [remote].

Q – (52.30) Where has certification taken place. Is it in Europe and is it CE or E Cert?

A –  Swiss company, SGS.  Valid for all Europe. Allows us to put CE mark on our industrial products.  This is a safety certification.  It is a voluntary certification. The law does not impose a safety certification.  By European laws you can also take the safety liabilities by yourself. You are not bound by law to make a safety cert by the likes of SGS or UL etc. You can put the CE mark by yourself. But doing it this way it is difficult to get authorization. Industrial plants must also get permissions from local authorities. If you want you can go to an Internationally recognized cert company and request a safety cert from them on a voluntary basis. We changed the design to conform to their suggestions. We learned from them. They made a myriad of modifications. We had to also take our liabilities because they say: “I certify you, if what you say is true.”  “I certify you if you fix what we say.” “If you say something that is not true and make something different from what I say, then… well.” We also changed the instruction manual on their advice. They made it in our favour.

Q (49.05) Is the 1MW plant already running some months?

A 1MW is running very well in a military concern. A civil plant we are ready to deliver has been used just to check it. Soon it will be delivered and after 2 or 3 months of consolidated operation it will be visitable.

Q (59) The COP seems low in HotCat…

A – The COP we quoted is a minimum after taking all the conservative calculations. We aim to have at least a 6 COP. The most important thing for the professors and the military engineer is not the COP but the position of the dot in the Ragon graph. Is it a nuclear effect? Can we rule out chemical? When we reach 1050 Celsius we will be able to operate in self-sustain for 50% of the time. (then talks about thermal camera etc in hotcat).

Q (1.21.00) What do you say to those who want to invest?

A – Don’t do it. We are  still developing the technology. We need to sell our 1MW plants and keep developing until ready. When our plants have been in operation for a long time that will be when to invest and not before.

Other video and more at PESN

 

[Note new post. Rossi gives his account of HotCat 'mismeasurement']

Zurich – Day 1

Unsurprisingly, there is a schism between those who started out sceptical of Rossi’s claims and those with a tendency to believe him when we look at the responses to today’s Zurich play. I was neither disappointed nor surprised. Andrea Rossi had prepared us to temper our expectations and then delivered as promised.

I really wish the hard sceptics would behave with a little humility (and some of the believers lay off their own abusive attacks) but I have to agree with them that nothing of substance was demonstrated. That does not mean that this is a scam but it does mean that anyone thinking of investing should jump every time they hear an alarm bell.

To be fair to the conference; they do not exist to satisfy our demands. This is business. We may be surprised tomorrow but I am not counting on it. For me; the break-point will be the delivery (or otherwise) of the University validation as promised by AR after they study the eCat in October. I will give them a short time for the report to be compiled and then make a decision. I am not as hopeful as I would like to be but this site will not exist on the day I hold no hope at all.

From my perspective and taking into account the poor audio and language difficulties, the main takeaway was that there was a lot of talk of basic stuff that is easily available to anyone on the Net and it seemed to be mostly filler. This gave me the impression that the licensees present may not know very much. That could be absolutely wrong and it is not meant as a criticism – it is merely my subjective response to what was presented.

To those among you calling Rossi’s engineer fat, you are being cowards. You would not do so to his face. He is likely much stronger than you. Lay off the personal insults, it reveals your bias and dampens the impact of anything you say that might be worth reading.

Rossi spent most of his time talking about the hotcat. I’m not going to give details here because until there is some evidence that it is real, I do not wish to propagate misinformation (should it turn out to be so). Full details are to be posted on Frank’s site over at e-CatWorld. I was interested to see that he put a strong caveat on the hotcat. Given that this was his first presentation to licensees as a collective, it was curious that he spent the time giving unverified details of a new product he says is too risky to invest in. I would have thought the audience might be more interested in hearing about what they had backed and not a blue-sky dream that might be viewed as a distraction from the tangible promises made to get them to invest in the first place.

I want to stress that I share many of the concerns the hardest of sceptics display here and elsewhere but deplore the scatter-gun insults that paints anyone in their anonymous sights as scammers, idiots, gullible, morons or any of the other descriptors from the bag of insults they wear slung at the ready. Not all sceptics behave this way (I try not to and others manage it, too. Thank you, all). Unfortunately, such poor behaviour is evident in some from the other camp and reading the resulting spat is unproductive, boring and leaves a nasty taste. Being right (in your own eyes) on an Internet forum is not worth the bile you are sending through your system or the damage you do to those who have done nothing to you.

Stop the mudslinging. If it means that this site dies, so be it.

 

eCat Conference – Zurich

I have no idea how useful it will be but the Zurich eCat Conference is now streaming live. So-far (and understandably) much of the talk is in German but as I write this, the speaker is using English.

While I am happy to encourage robust debate, I ask you all to respect the light touch moderation and do not abuse each other. You win no arguments by insult and reduce your credibility. Thank you.

 

The itinerary is here.

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