E-Cat SKL Plasma ‘Emits Polarized Light’

Andrea Rossi doesn’t often provide details of what he is seeing in his experiments with the E-Cat SKL, but here is a Q&A in which he reveals something specific regarding the light that is emitted by the E-Cat SKL’s plasma.

November 25, 2020 at 11:13 AM
Dr Rossi,
did you find any evidence of the creation of clusters in coherence of phase as hypothesized in
during your experiments and tests ?

Andrea Rossi
November 25, 2020 at 11:36 AM
Yes, we have discovered with polarizing lenses that the light emitted by the plasma is polarized: the emission of polarized light is very rare and is typical of lasers and electron some kind of accelerators; when our theoretical Team has discovered this fact, after repeated experiments, we deem this a signature of the creation of clusters of electrons in coherence of phase.
Warm Regards,

According to Rossi, electron clusters play an important part in the mechanism of the E-Cat SKL, and now he speaks of them being in ‘coherence of phase”. Perhaps that can give some clues as to what is going on inside the E-Cat.

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“Making Coherent Matter Wave Beams and their Capabilities” (New Bob Greenyer Video)

Making Coherent Matter Wave Beams and Their Capabilities

Here is Bob’s summary of the document.

A technology made possible by science proposed and developed from the 1950s by both cold war sides now is codified in an awarded and valid US patent. When you have seen this presentation, you will have a new perspective on the E-CAT SKL, EVOs, Hutchison Effect and more.

In the YouTube video description is a link to a previously classified 1984 document by Tom Bearden, titled “STAR WARS NOW! The Bohm-Aharonov Effect, Scalar Interferometry, and Soviet Weaponization”

Bob also references a patent filed by Lockheed Martin Corp. titled “SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR GENERATING COHERENT MATTERWAVE BEAMS, Patent No.: US9,502.202B2” https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/03/ce/8b/79a466f75c7f39/US9502202.pdf

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Paper: “Future Interstellar Rockets may use Laser-induced Annihilation Reactions for relativistic drive” (Claimed COP of 1300)

Thanks to Curbina for posting the following comment and link in the Always On Thread

Leif Holmlid and Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen published a paper in Acta Astronautica that is about an experimental relativistic drive that has an efficiency of 1300 times the energy consumed by the laser used to estimulate the anhihilation-like behavior, and the kinetic energy produced. In other words, COP of 1300x!!!


Title of Paper: “Future interstellar rockets may use laser-induced annihilation reactions for
relativistic drive”

From the Abstract:

Here, a useful method for relativistic interstellar propulsion is described for the first time. This method gives exhaust at relativistic speeds and is a factor of at least one hundred better than normal fusion due to its increased energy output from the annihilation-like meson formation processes. It uses ordinary hydrogen as fuel so a return travel is possible after refuelling almost anywhere in space. The central nuclear processes have been studied in around 20 publications, which is considered to be sufficient evidence for the general properties. The nuclear processes give relativistic particles (kaons, pions and muons) by laser-induced annihilation-like processes in ultra-dense hydrogen H(0). The kinetic energy of the mesons is 1300 times larger than the energy of the laser pulse. This method is superior to the laser-sail method by several orders of magnitude and is suitable for large spaceships.

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Rossi: ‘Very Advanced’ in Developing Product to Demonstrate

The big question that is on my mind, and I am sure that is on the mind of many other readers here, is when will we get the public presentation of the E-Cat SKL. Andrea Rossi had been saying earlier this year that it would be in 2020, but recently he has admitted that he is not ready for it.

I asked him this week what needs to be accomplished in order for the presentation to happen. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
November 11, 2020 at 1:21 PM
Frank Acland:
To have a reliable product: that’s all I need.
Warm Regards,

From this response it appears that he does not yet have a reliable product, which makes one wonder, how far away is such a product. I followed up with another question:

Frank Acland
November 13, 2020 at 10:56 AM
Dear Andrea,

You stated recently that your presentation will occur once you have a reliable product.

a) How would you characterize your progress towards this goal?
b) When you make a presentation will it be of a commercial product, or an experimental prototype?

His response:

Andrea Rossi
November 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM
Frank Acland:
a) I think we are very advanced
b) I think it will be a commercial product
Warm Regards,

It’s hard to know the exact state of things from brief comments such as these; Even though he states that they are ‘very advanced’ Andrea Rossi is known to be optimistic in his projections, so I am not building up any hopes for a presentation in the near future.

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The Issue of the Closed-Loop E-Cat

There have been some Q&As on the Journal of Nuclear Physics lately on the issue of closed-loop/self-sustain mode with the E-Cat. I reported in my description of the Skype demonstration that I witnessed that the E-Cat’s control system was powered by electricity from a regular wall socket. I had since wondered if that was true for other demonstrations that have been taking place, and Gerard McEk asked Andrea Rossi about this on November 7th:

4. Were most or all tests done by the certification agency done on a self looped Ecat SKL?
5. Were self looped Ecat SKL(s) in operation witnessed by Partners the certification Agency?

AR’s response:

4- no
5- no

I think many followers of the E-Cat consider a self-sustaining/self-looped E-Cat to be the optimal mode for this technology, as it allows for freedom from the grid or external batteries, and makes the E-Cat an almost miraculous achievement.

My guess as to why the demonstrations so far are not being done with a self-looped E-Cat is that it is probably easier for Andrea to do his experiments and R&D without it at the moment. A self-looping system would require more complexity, cost, time, and possibly less flexibility in running experiments.

Another question on this topic came up today on the JONP:

Robert Dorr
November 8, 2020 at 5:57 PM
Dear Andrea,

Will the initial production of the SKL by your partners allow operation in:

A. Units will only operate in self-sustaining mode
B. Units will only operate in non self-sustaining mode
C. Units will be able to operate in both self-sustaining mode and non self-sustaining mode, depending on what is required

AR’s response:

Andrea Rossi
November 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM
Robert Dorr:
Thank you for your kind support,
Warm Regards,

Here’s a comment by Wholewitt here on E-Cat World which I thought could be relevant to the issue:

The problem I see is that to make a self powered unit, the 920 V has to be converted to a low voltage (possibly 5 or 12VDC) to run the controls. This can be done but is not trivial. Most power supplies using off line mains can convert 400 VDC to lower voltages. Costs need to be kept low and how stable is the 920V?

On a related topic, I asked on the JONP whether the E-Cat produced AC or DC electricity. AR’s reply: “It can produce both”.

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CleanHME Project Publishes Presentations from Kick-off Event

The EU-funded CleanHME project, which is seeking to develop technology for producing energy from hydrogen-metal and plasma systems held it’s kick-off event September 23-25at the University of Szczecin, Poland.

Videos from the event have been posted on the project’s website here: http://www.cleanhme.eu/?page_id=345

The So far, only videos are available, with no separate papers or slideshows. There are several hours worth of video available, and I haven’t looked at them all yet. Below are a list of the speakers and the titles of their presentations.

Peter Hagelstein: History of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions

Jirohta Kasagi: Present Status and Perspectives of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions

Konrad Czerski: Clean Energy from Hydrogen-Metal Systems – Problems to Solve

Pekka Peljo: HERMES project overview

Jean-Paul Biberian: Electrolysis experiments

Francesco Celani: Gas loading experiments with CuNi wires

Matej Lipoglavsek: Accelerator experiments

Marcin Jakubowski: Overview of Hot Nuclear Fusion technology

Jacques Ruer: Energy Production Policy

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Francesco Celani et al. Publishe “Path to get AHE [Anomalous Heat Effect]”

Francesco Celani made a presentation at the ANV4 workshop on LENR & Earth, which was held in Assisi during September 10-12 titled: “The role of forced, active gas, flux for the generation of AHE in LENR
experiments: discussion on procedures to increase it.”

His presentation focused on comparing the effect of hydrogen flux induced by a temperature gradient versus hydrogen flux induced externally via electromagnetic pulse inputs. As a conclusion, hydrogen flux plays a key role in his group’s constantan wire fueled reactor setup.

The full presentation is available at this link:


Here is a summary from page 3 of the above document:

Path to get AHE [Anomalous Heat Effect], after 31 years of experiments. (according to general and our specific know-how)

1) At first, it is necessary to load proper materials (Pd, Ti, Ni, alloys) with active gas (H2, D2,..);
Commons experience, worldwide, in almost all LENR experiments;

2) Induce Non-equilibrium conditions of loaded materials by: thermal or concentration gradients, movement of charged species, phase transitions, voltage stimulation,…………..; Mostly our specific evidence/suggestion, since April 1989, later-on “common sense”;

3) Observed experimentally that the “interaction” of active gas with the gas-loaded material,
as strong and fast as possible, is main factor governing the AHE generation: the active gas FLUX seems to be the main parameter but it needs external energy to activate it; Almost clear proof only after in-deep analysis of >80 experiments (IJCMNS, July 2020);

4) Efforts to develop innovative procedures to minimize the (electrical) external energy needed to generate non-equilibrium of the, gas loaded, active material: both into the bulk (like electromigration phenomena) and at the surface (at sub-micrometric size). Current and next experiments at INFN-LNF.

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Lawrence Forseley Interview: Governments ‘Nibbling at the Edges’ at Funding ‘Cold Fusion’/LENR/Lattice Confinement Fusion

Thanks to Gerard McEk for posting a link to this edition of the Tech Talks Daily Podcast in which Neil C. Hughes interviews Laurence Forseley, senior experimental physicist with NASA, research fellow at the University of Texas, and CTO of Global Energy Corporation. He is a long time cold fusion/LENR researcher who is one of members of the NASA-funded team who have recently published papers about a process they call ‘lattice confinement fusion’ in which excess heat production and elemental transmutation have been observed.

When asked about why cold fusion was considered not possible by the scientific establishment, Forseley explains that it has taken thirty years to understand how the so-called “cold fusion” reaction is possible, and that the reaction had it’s roots in the 1920s. He states:

“Those observations were themselves withdrawn because of incomplete knowledge. The view being quantum mechanics makes this impossible, therefore it didn’t happen. But we missed a few things.”

Forseley says that in terms of funding research in this field his group has been funded by NASA and that now governments are now “nibbling at the edges”:

“The need is great, the promise is phenomenal, but there’s also a lot of pushback, because as you noted, there’s a lot of concern that this can’t possibly be true.”

When asked to explain lattice confinement fusion

“What you’ve got is a metal lattice, the papers we’ve published happen to use titanium, and one used urbium. We have titanium in there which is a heavy isotope of hydrogen – instead of one proton, it’s a proton plus a neutron – and we can pack those in there with a density that is basically denser than solid matter (if you had solid deuterium). What happens then is, these still don’t like each other, positive charges, so if you can imagine having two magnets with the plusses facing each other. When you squeeze them together they move apart. Because of the inherent electrons from the titanium or urbium present, or in palladium, there is a greater possibility that these two plusses get canceled by the local negative electrons.

In fact the way I look at this, it’s sort of like the difference between the hot fusion and the cold fusion, so to speak. Hot fusion is like karate. You have to force the atoms close enough, and the strong nuclear force pulls them together, despite those positive charges. Whereas what we’re doing in lattice confinement fusion (or the mis-named cold fusion) is more like aikido, we’re using the blending off the electron shielding to hide the nuclei’s charges from each other, and blend them together, and we get fusion out.”

Forseley says it is only question of money and time as to whether and when this technology can be developed into commercial products. He thinks that energy production technology based on these reactions could lead to decentralized power production and even integration of energy production into consumer products.

The full interview is here:

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Rossi Only Doing Business with Potential Partners who Contact Him

Andrea Rossi gave an interesting response to a question from Gerard McEk this weekend. Gerard asked if it was difficult to convince his partners of the claimed operation of the Ecat SKL.

Rossi’s response:

No, because I accept to work only with potential Partners that contact me, therefore they have already positively biased for an “impossible invention”.

I do not waste time to convince negatively biased or indifferent concerns. I start to engage only with persons that search me and, consequently, do not knock at closed doors.

So if a business wants to get involved early with Rossi and the E-Cat they need to make the first move and reach out to Leonardo Corp. I am sure that Rossi will do some due diligence about potential partners to see if he things they would be a good fit for collaboration. My guess is that they will have to be well established and financially sound in order for Rossi to consider moving forward with them.

At this point, my guess is that the number of suitors will be fairly small, mostly because the E-Cat is a relatively obscure technology, which over the years has received quite a bit of negative attention and has been largely dismissed by the scientific establishment and media as being a hoax or a mistake. It is a technology that is not on most people’s radar at all.

But I do think there will be some in business willing to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt and try and find out if the E-Cat really is something worth pursuing.

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