Rossi: 40 MW E-Cat Plant to be the First

We get little bits of information from Andrea Rossi about his E-Cat plans. It’s a drip by drip feed of information that helps clarify (a little) what his plans are. This week, from asking questions on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, we have been told that the 40 MW E-Cat plant that Rossi has been discussing is going to be the first plant installed. He’s planning on starting big. It seems to mean a great deal to Rossi, who posted rather poetically:

Andrea Rossi
August 14, 2018 at 5:44 PM
Abe Vincent:
It will be a magnificence as I can see it inside my brain. Pure Art of technology and a window with the view of the sun of the future. My life has been also a series of failures and errors and resiliency, but if all the enormous work for which I spent my life will have as a result this plant, my life will have been worth to be spent.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

At this point, it sounds like the plant is still in the planning stages, and I believe that the reason is that Leonardo has still not decided whether to build this plant from QX reactors (1 kW) or SK reactors (10 kW). I believe the this decision will be made only after further testing. Rossi wrote today:

Andrea Rossi
August 16, 2018 at 7:58 AM
Toussaint Francois:
Thank you for your kind wishes. Yes, an extremely important test will be made at the end of August through the first 10 days of September. After that, strategic decisions will have to be made.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I think that this “extremely important test” involves determining whether the SK is fit for purpose. Rossi has said that he hopes it is, because it will mean far fewer reactors (and presumably controllers) will have to be built, and the overall dimensions of the plant will be much smaller, since far fewer reactors will need to be built.

We’ll have to wait to find out how that testing goes. If there are still unresolved problems with the SK, than he may have to go with the larger plants using the QX. Rossi has said in the past that the QX is ready now, and he is holding fast to the projection of the January product presentation. From recent comments it sounds like the presentation will go forward even if the first industrial plant is not installed. When I asked if the first plant would be up and running before the presentation, Rossi replied: “maybe, but it is difficult.”

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Rossi Values 40 MW at $20 million.

We know that Andrea Rossi’s plan is not to sell E-Cat plants to customers, but to retain ownership and sell heat. But here is a Q&A that gives us an idea of how he values his technology.

Dom
August 11, 2018 at 8:40 PM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Can you tell us the price of the 40 MW plant?

Andrea Rossi
August 12, 2018 at 1:52 AM
Dom:
The Client will pay nothing for the plant, because it will remain of our property and the Client will pay only the heat. Should it be for sale its price would be 20 million $, but for the time being we are not going to sell.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

That puts an industrial E-Cat plant at $500,000 per MW. We don’t know how much it will cost to build these plants, it will likely to be more expensive in the beginning until economies of scale are improved if he can get mass production off the ground. Since Rossi is not selling plants outright, and only selling heat once it is used, there will be a lot of upfront investment required for Leonardo. They will only be able to make money once the plants are up and running well, and customers are paying their bills.

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Brilliant Light Power Provides 3rd Quarter Update

Brilliant Light Power has posted their 3rd Quarter 2018 update on their website here:

https://brilliantlightpower.com/third-quarter-2018-update/

The update provides a lot of information about of BLP’s technology, including testing data and photographs and diagramas of laboratory experiments and equipment. It also includes references to recent publications about BLP’s scientific research, including the article “Power determination and hydrino product characterization of ultra-low field ignition of hydrated silver shots” published in the Chinese Journal of Physics here.

As far as recent developments go, here are a few highlights:

They are developing a “Pyrex-Stainless Steel SunCell for 400 °C Heater” which they say is currently in operation. Images are provided.

Recent and upcoming events include:

“•Major OEM team performed due diligence with visit on July 16th.

•Major Sovereign Wealth Fund Delegation visit on June 29th.

•Planning Energetic Materials Open House for Defense Agencies in October.”

As far as commercialization of their technology goes, they state that “Levers for Commercial Success” involve:

“Prove our power source to the world in the near term through power measurements, identification of the Hydrino® products of the reaction, and engineered power systems”

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Rossi Working on ‘Fantastic’ New Heat Exchanger, ‘Close to 100% Efficient’ in Producing Steam

As if he did not need one more thing to work on, Andrea Rossi has stated that his team is now working on a new invention to help him make the most of his E-Cat. Here are some comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about it:

Mary Kleftogiannis
July 23, 2018 at 9:12 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi,
Have you resolved the problem of the heat exchange with a so high energy density as in the Ecat SK?
All the best,
Mary

Andrea Rossi
July 24, 2018 at 2:24 AM
Mary Kleftogiannis:
Yes, we have invented a fantastic system, now to be tested. If it works, it gives close to 100% efficiency of exchange to produce steam.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I am not sure whether this means that the Gas Turbine invention has fallen out of favor for the time being, as this would be another major project for him to focus on. Note that Rossi is here talking about producing steam, not hot air, which would require a steam turbine if they are wanting to generate electricity with the E-Cat SK.

Rossi says that this system is not yet built; they plan to carry out tests in August.

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Rossi: Maximum Temperature from the E-Cat SK is 20 000°C

I had not seen any report from Andrea Rossi until now about the temperatures that he is achieving with the E-Cat SK.

Here is a Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

E. Hergen
July 17, 2018 at 8:11 AM
Dear Mr. Rossi,

in a former reply you said you have reached a power density with the ecat SK you have never reached before.

What was the highest temperature you reached with the ecat SK ever, and what is the maximum temperature you can operate the ecat SK without damaging the module?

I hope you give us notice when you for the first time will produce electricity. This will be a monumental event.

Andrea Rossi
July 17, 2018 at 11:58 AM
E.Hergen:
The max T we reach is around 20 000 °C.
The production of electricity by means of heat is an old and consolidated technology. The difficult is to make the first source of energy, the eventual conversion of it in other forms is not difficult, albeit some efficiency has to be lost.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Temperatures of that magnitude are suitable for pretty much any purpose on can think of. Rossi has mentioned that a major challenge has been to keep the reactor cool enough to avoid a meltdown. He has said that the turbine configuration has provided help with cooling, but he has emphasized that it is not yet ready for commercialization. From Rossi’s reply it sounds like they have not yet generated electricity using the turbine, but that should be a trivial task compared to getting the E-Cat to run the turbine in a reliable way.

CENTAUR: DOE Funded Project for ‘Basic Research in Low-Energy Nuclear Science’

Thanks to John Koskela for posting the following from CENTAUR, the Center for Excellence in Nuclear Training And University-based Research.

Link is here: https://centaur.tamu.edu/

The Center for Excellence in Nuclear Training And University-based Research (CENTAUR) is a multi-institutional effort led by Texas A&M University and supported by a five-year, $10 million Stewardship Science Academic Alliances (SSAA) grant from the Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (DOE/NNSA). CENTAUR will pursue basic research in low-energy nuclear science through experimental, theoretical, and technical programs using accelerators at Texas A&M’s Cyclotron Institute and Florida State University’s John D. Fox Superconducting Linear Accelerator Laboratory as well as facilities at the other participating institutions. Existing collaborations between scientists at Texas A&M and the NNSA national laboratories—including Los Alamos National Laboratory and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory—will be incorporated into center programs and expanded to involve scientists from all partner institutions, which include Florida State, Washington University in St. Louis, the University of Washington, Louisiana State University and the University of Notre Dame.

When they state they are pursuing basic research in “low-energy nuclear science”, it does sound like LENR might be covered, but it’s not clear if they really are interested in it. This is a grant from the Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration, which normally deals with traditional nuclear fission.

Here’s a DOE press release from July 5, 2018 about the project:

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-awards-10-million-cooperative-agreement-texas-am-university

WASHINGTON – The Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (DOE/NNSA) has designated a new Center of Excellence to be led by Texas A&M University in the area of Low Energy Nuclear Science as part of the Stewardship Science Academic Alliances (SSAA) Program.

“These grants are instrumental in developing the next generation of scientists in areas of relevance to the stockpile stewardship mission,” said Dr. Kathleen Alexander, Assistant Deputy Administrator for Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation in NNSA’s Office of Defense Programs.

Texas A&M University will receive $10 million over five years to manage the Center for Excellence in Nuclear Training and University-based Research (CENTAUR), which will measure high-impact reaction observables and make reaction theory more robust.

CENTAUR, led by Dr. Sherry Yennello, will combine experimental and theoretical initiatives to measure relevant nuclear structure and reaction properties with a large focus on the use of radioactive beams and/or targets. Academic partner institutions include: Florida State University, Washington University, the University of Washington, and Louisiana State University.

Launched in 2002, the SSAA program supports areas of fundamental research and development that are relevant to NNSA’s stockpile stewardship mission while helping to recruit the next generation of highly-trained technical scientists and engineers for the Nuclear Security Enterprise.

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Radio Waves Experiment (Sean)

I thought it would be useful to start a new thread with these two comments by Sean from the recent Electric Universe Thread here, who has shared some details from an experiment he has done.

1. Just did an experiment. I took a normal 3 inch long x 3/8″ Dia.Steel spring an using a voltmeter set to Millivolts and proceeded to do the following. Across the spring length = 0 mv. across the magnet = 0 mv. Placed insulation tape between magnet and spring = .8 mv. I think that its picking up background radiation. So the next experiment was to measure my mobile VHF/UHF ham radio antenna indoors. I hooked up the PL259 plug directly to to voltmeter and I measured 3.7 mv.

2. Well I think I have found the missing ingredient to that You-Tube video. It is something that you cannot see. RADIO WAVES. I set up the experiment again and keyed up my Baofeng hand held ham radio a few feet away and up went the voltage to 2.3 Volts. That’s enough to light a LED. I remember when I had CB sets back in the 70’s, You could tape a Neon light to the antenna for fun. When you keyed up the neon would light up extremely bright especially if you place it near the loading coil at center mast. (It got very hot also).

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Rossi: E-Cat SK Test a ‘Great’ Success

Andrea Rossi had been reporting that a very important test of the the higher-powered E-Cat SK was to take place at the end of June and yesterday on the Journal of Nuclear Physics he reported that he was extremely pleased. Here are a few of his comments:

“I just finished now the test with the SK. I am trembling for the emotion. Probably we will present it. We made enormous progress in the last several weeks. The test has been not good. The test has been great.”

“We tested a version very close to the industrialization and it did not show any trouble in a long test, besides I had confirmation of the validity of an intuition that simplify remarkably the SK system.”

“We will probably present both the QX and the SK”

We have come to learn that this kind of report is quite typical of Rossi — he never rests trying to improve his products and he regularly tests new ‘intuitions’ that he think can improve and/or simplify his products. He is still talking about two products: the QX and the SK, but I wonder if the new progress on the SK will start to take all his attention.

There’s another thing to point out in his recent comments — Gerald McEk asked him if he still thought he could deliver an industrial E-Cat plant by the end of this year; Rossi’s response was “no”. So his timeline projections are slipping somewhat — which I had somewhat expected — since just a few weeks ago he said he hoped to have products delivered to customers before the end of 2018.

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LENR Needs Commercial Success

From various reports from around the world, such as the recent ICCF-21 conference in Colorado, we know that there is a dedicated group of researchers who are working hard in the LENR field, and are having some experimental success demonstrating that LENR is a valid field of scientific research. This has actually been the case for many years now, but it is still basically a neglected field, still struggling for respectability after the tarnishing that took place soon after 1989.

Based on publicly available information, I don’t see any prospects for LENR entering the commercial space in the near future beyond Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat. There may be some dark horses working behind the scenes, but one would expect that if Leonardo is really getting ready for a commercial launch, that anyone else ready to produce marketable products would be gearing up to fight for customers.

So my perception is that if Rossi comes through with a working commercial E-Cat within the next year or so, the field will get a real boost in new interest, and if he gets even some initial traction in terms of customers signing up for his “heat as a service” business plan, then one would expect that established players in the energy field will sit up and take notice, and start to try and figure out how Rossi is doing what he is doing.

Rossi has been very careful to provide as little help to potential competitors as possible in terms of providing information about how the E-Cat works, but he must realize that success for him could unleash a huge amount of R&D into the LENR field from new players who will surely think that if a lone inventor can pull off commercial LENR, then it is not beyond the reach of organizations with vastly more resources than Rossi has had. Thus, Rossi’s first-to-market advantage (assuming he makes it) may be challenged quite quickly.

However, if Rossi doesn’t come through, I don’t expect a great deal of change in the field in the near term. Simply stated, LENR needs to be commercialized for it to take off. Without commercial products, or at least strong experimental evidence of commercial-grade energy production, I would expect there will continue to be low levels of interest in LENR and we’ll continue on the present levels of activity.

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Aerospace Corporation’s Nickel-Hydrogen LENR Research Paper Published

One of the presentations at the recent ICCF-21 conference was by Edward J. Beiting of the Aerospace Corporation, a California nonprofit research and development center. The title of his presentation was “Investigation of the Nickel-Hydrogen Anomalous Heat Effect”

Dr Beiting’s full report has now been uploaded to the LENR-CANR.org website here:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BeitingEinvestigat.pdf

Here is an excerpt from the abstract of the presentation from the ICCF-21 summary posted here on the Cold Fusion Community website.

An apparatus was built that comprised identical test and a reference heated cells. These thermally isolated cells each contained two thermocouples and a 10 cm3 volume of ZrO2NiPd particles. Calibration functions to infer thermal power from temperature were created by electrically heating the filled cells with known powers when they were either evacuated or pressurized with 1 bar of N2. During the experimental trial, the test cell was pressurized with hydrogen and the control cell was pressurized with nitrogen. After conditioning the cells, both were heated to near 300°C for a period of 1000 hours (40 days). During this period, the test cell registered 7.5% more power (approximately 1 W) than the input power. The control cell measured approximately 0.05 W of excess power. The error in the excess power measurement was ±0.05 W.

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