On Andrea Rossi’s blog today, the inventor implied that Hydro Fusion (the Swedish licensee) has found a company to act as a showcase for the 1MW eCat and that it is one he approves of. While I do not pretend to understand why this is needed, I do find the development interesting. There have been too many disappointments in the past but I have no reason to suspect Hydro Fusion of being anything but legitimate and if the sale goes through, it may shine a much-needed light on what is going on. Something must change if the credibility logjam is to be broken.
Dear A.R. is it possible that the same choice made in sweden can be replicated in Italy by Prometeon? It would be a great & good chance, for the italian industry, to know LENR and your tecnology for a great future!
The Swedish formula depends on the Licensees, not from us. Leonardo Corp sells the 1 MW plants, and the owners of the plants can use them the way they prefer: if they want to invest in a plant to sell energy, they can do it. We just make a due dioligence on the final Customer who buys the energy, before accepting the solution. Our Swedish licensee has proposed to us a Customer we like, therefore they are free to buy a plant to put it in the concern of their Customer and sell the energy. We gave them green light, but this is an initiative of theirs, not of ours.
Donning a positive cap and taking a giant leap by assuming the eCat is real, it is fun to consider what company or organisation might fit the bill. Given their obvious interest, available funds and their positive comments regarding the HotCat tests, the R&D consortium of Elforsk would be the perfect candidate. If Hydro Fusion pulls of such a feat with them (or a similarly credible) body, I for one will applaud and immediately reassess my position. In that spirit: Good luck, Hydro Fusion.
Hydro Fusion, the Swedish license holders for Andrea Rossi’s eCat is making an interesting offer to entice a potential Swedish customer to test the water and act as a showcase for the technology. I’m not sure what to think of this. On the one hand it is interesting but I cannot help wonder why such a complicated dance would be required if the device simply worked as advertised. Potential customers could send their own engineers to Rossi to check the system out prior to buying. Why is it so hard?
I put the development under Interesting and Confusing
10 Jun 2013/in News/by adminHydro Fusion is looking for a Pilot Customer for the first ECAT 1 MW Plant to operate in Sweden. The customer will only pay for the energy produced by the ECAT, i.e. Hydro Fusion and Leonardo Corporation will take responsibility for all associated costs including: the plant itself, installation and any transportation costs. In return the Pilot Customer agrees upon
Scheduled Installation time by late fall 2013.
Hydro Fusion and Leonardo Corporation to use the Pilot Plant as a Showcase where external customers can be introduced to an ECAT 1 MW in operation.
Hydro Fusion is open to any type of heat application given the restriction of a maximum 120 C temperature. The ECAT’s energy specifications are:
Heat energy is produced according to specs.
Heat energy 1 MW thermal at up to 120 C
Heat exchanger from ECAT system to customer heat application.
Electricity is consumed according to specs.
250 kWe maximum power consumption
166 kWe average power consumption, i.e. COP=6
Hydro Fusion would like to receive quotations from Pilot Customers on both thermal MWh price and electric MWh price, based on an assumption of 7,000+ operating hours per year. Please specify clearly if your quotes depend on the outdoor temperature.
Pilot Customers, with an interest in this game changing technology, are kindly asked to contact us at email@example.com. Please write “Pilot Customer” in the subject of the email.
If, like me, you struggled to hear the Zurich live feed over the weekend, you will thank Sterling Allan for the following videos. There are two but I will only embed one in fairness to Sterling and to encourage you to visit his site. Even though I watched the whole thing on both days, I found the quality of this version outshines that of the live stream and I caught some interesting detail here. It struck me how often Rossi mentioned that the hotcat tests are ongoing and unproven as yet. It may be projection on my part but, did he have something on his mind at the time in this regard? When asked why Magnus Holmes was not present, Rossi said that he was otherwise busy but was there in spirit (or words to that effect).
Some of the highlights are as follows. Please note that I often paraphrase and be warned that my interpretation may be wrong. If something is important to you, check for yourself (and correct me in comments if required). Lengthy as it is, I advise you to watch the complete thing if you have the time and inclination. At the end, Sterling does a paparazzi stalk on Rossi. This was entertaining and led to a surprise answer right at the end as the Italian was getting into his taxi (1.21.00).
Q from audience members and A from Rossi.
Q – Would AR please run a workshop to allow us to run the 10KW eCat for at least 10 days to help us convince customers and investors?
A – Not 10 days but we have already reports for three months and six months which we will release soon.
Q – What is the ratio of Ni to Cu conversion?
A – Although we get this happening we are no longer certain it is the main process but a side effect of the 10-100KeV Gammas that are emitted.
Q (40mins) – Is there any … for you to go ahead?
A – I am not strong and not intelligent – it is all down to God
Q (42.15) – Why is Magnus Holmes not here?
A – He had some important meetings in Stockholm and excuses himself. All his content was in my presentation. I am sure his heart was here.
Q (43.45) – When will 1MW certifications be granted?
A – Already have safety certs for industrial plants but not domestic. Industry is easier because they have procedures etc to ensure proper use and conformation to liabilities. But for domestic… someone drunk in house can cause problems… Will be long time with good stats in industry before get safety certs for domestic.
Q – (46.05) When gas eCat safety certs
A – It should be no problem…
Q – (49.00) Any future problem with nuclear authorities regarding safety certs?
A – No. We got the safety cert because we could give guarantees that we do not use radioactive materials, produce radiative materials and no radiation is emitted outside the device during operation. Yes, we produce radiations to make heat but also microwave ovens do this. Laws already exist for their regulation and the microwave radiations are in the same range as ours. .. blah, blah, phones etc. Cert says we do not use radioactive materials or produce then…etc. Therefore they enter into the same category as the devices in your house, your pocket etc… think television – to have command of television [remote].
Q – (52.30) Where has certification taken place. Is it in Europe and is it CE or E Cert?
A – Swiss company, SGS. Valid for all Europe. Allows us to put CE mark on our industrial products. This is a safety certification. It is a voluntary certification. The law does not impose a safety certification. By European laws you can also take the safety liabilities by yourself. You are not bound by law to make a safety cert by the likes of SGS or UL etc. You can put the CE mark by yourself. But doing it this way it is difficult to get authorization. Industrial plants must also get permissions from local authorities. If you want you can go to an Internationally recognized cert company and request a safety cert from them on a voluntary basis. We changed the design to conform to their suggestions. We learned from them. They made a myriad of modifications. We had to also take our liabilities because they say: “I certify you, if what you say is true.” “I certify you if you fix what we say.” “If you say something that is not true and make something different from what I say, then… well.” We also changed the instruction manual on their advice. They made it in our favour.
Q (49.05) Is the 1MW plant already running some months?
A 1MW is running very well in a military concern. A civil plant we are ready to deliver has been used just to check it. Soon it will be delivered and after 2 or 3 months of consolidated operation it will be visitable.
Q (59) The COP seems low in HotCat…
A – The COP we quoted is a minimum after taking all the conservative calculations. We aim to have at least a 6 COP. The most important thing for the professors and the military engineer is not the COP but the position of the dot in the Ragon graph. Is it a nuclear effect? Can we rule out chemical? When we reach 1050 Celsius we will be able to operate in self-sustain for 50% of the time. (then talks about thermal camera etc in hotcat).
Q (1.21.00) What do you say to those who want to invest?
A – Don’t do it. We are still developing the technology. We need to sell our 1MW plants and keep developing until ready. When our plants have been in operation for a long time that will be when to invest and not before.
After listening (with difficulty) to yesterday’s live-stream from Zurich, my first impression was that we had learned nothing new. On reading the subsequent report regarding the tests conducted on July and August at Bologna, I have to revise that assessment. I still feel that jubilation is premature – there are far too many questions and we need truly independent verification. This is not a criticism of those who conducted the tests but standard fare for such a contentious arena.
As I read the report, I could not help questioning the assumption that the inner surface irradiation would match the outer. It seemed obvious to me that it would not. Although this is addressed honestly in the errata and I am no expert, it is a perfect example of one issue that needs further investigation and an indicator pointing to potential unknown complexities that could smack us in the mouth later.
No-one should take these tests as proof. I would contend that the results are interesting and default to a respect for the engineers in question. I see no reason to doubt their integrity or expertise. We are all human, however, and it is easy to miss something that later becomes obvious.
I am encouraged that they released raw data and detailed information of the step-by-step process of the test. This will allow experts in the field to spot any problems and pin upper and lower bounds to the results. If these match the published results, we only have to worry about sleight-of-hand, mismeasurement or misplaced assumptions. That is a start.
That three engineers were willing to put their names on the line is encouraging but once more we need to remind ourselves to take one step at a time. Steorn did the same and as far as I can now tell, the company’s claims were nonsense.
I look forward to expert commentary on the results. If you do so here, we all appreciate your thoughts. I just ask you to leave the emotions at the door.
There are many things that puzzle me here (and raise red flags) and I have to admit that the gain in optimism (although real) is tempered by experience. I will look at these after today’s proceedings and following some time to reflect on them. For now, I welcome the report and hope we might get some more meat today.
Unsurprisingly, there is a schism between those who started out sceptical of Rossi’s claims and those with a tendency to believe him when we look at the responses to today’s Zurich play. I was neither disappointed nor surprised. Andrea Rossi had prepared us to temper our expectations and then delivered as promised.
I really wish the hard sceptics would behave with a little humility (and some of the believers lay off their own abusive attacks) but I have to agree with them that nothing of substance was demonstrated. That does not mean that this is a scam but it does mean that anyone thinking of investing should jump every time they hear an alarm bell.
To be fair to the conference; they do not exist to satisfy our demands. This is business. We may be surprised tomorrow but I am not counting on it. For me; the break-point will be the delivery (or otherwise) of the University validation as promised by AR after they study the eCat in October. I will give them a short time for the report to be compiled and then make a decision. I am not as hopeful as I would like to be but this site will not exist on the day I hold no hope at all.
From my perspective and taking into account the poor audio and language difficulties, the main takeaway was that there was a lot of talk of basic stuff that is easily available to anyone on the Net and it seemed to be mostly filler. This gave me the impression that the licensees present may not know very much. That could be absolutely wrong and it is not meant as a criticism – it is merely my subjective response to what was presented.
To those among you calling Rossi’s engineer fat, you are being cowards. You would not do so to his face. He is likely much stronger than you. Lay off the personal insults, it reveals your bias and dampens the impact of anything you say that might be worth reading.
Rossi spent most of his time talking about the hotcat. I’m not going to give details here because until there is some evidence that it is real, I do not wish to propagate misinformation (should it turn out to be so). Full details are to be posted on Frank’s site over at e-CatWorld. I was interested to see that he put a strong caveat on the hotcat. Given that this was his first presentation to licensees as a collective, it was curious that he spent the time giving unverified details of a new product he says is too risky to invest in. I would have thought the audience might be more interested in hearing about what they had backed and not a blue-sky dream that might be viewed as a distraction from the tangible promises made to get them to invest in the first place.
I want to stress that I share many of the concerns the hardest of sceptics display here and elsewhere but deplore the scatter-gun insults that paints anyone in their anonymous sights as scammers, idiots, gullible, morons or any of the other descriptors from the bag of insults they wear slung at the ready. Not all sceptics behave this way (I try not to and others manage it, too. Thank you, all). Unfortunately, such poor behaviour is evident in some from the other camp and reading the resulting spat is unproductive, boring and leaves a nasty taste. Being right (in your own eyes) on an Internet forum is not worth the bile you are sending through your system or the damage you do to those who have done nothing to you.
Stop the mudslinging. If it means that this site dies, so be it.
OilPrice.com has posted a new interview from our enigmatic Italian inventor.
The following comes from James Stafford (thank you, James). The full interview is here.
Some of the questions we asked Mr. Rossi take a look at:
• Why it took so long for him to go public with his discovery. • How the E-Cat will produce energy costing $10/megawatt hour. • When he will release more detailed information on the E-Cat. • Why he believes international media coverage of the E-Cat has been so muted. • His feelings towards critics and the scientific community. • His manufacturing and distribution goals. • How the E-cat will help reduce mankind’s dependency on fossil fuels. • + Many more details on the e-cat, LENR and Rossi himself.